RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,162050,00.html

Well, if General Carlson can s**t 40 billion dollars out of his a**, I'm sure the USAF will buy them.

i wish they would buy 1 less and use that money to buy some old Spads and Corsairs for the Afghanis.

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Originally posted by jwr6:
Well, if General Carlson can s**t 40 billion dollars out of his a**, I'm sure the USAF will buy them.

At 200 mil a pop, he would need to push real hard to s*** out 76 bil.

Either this General Officer doesn’t understand the chain of command, or he is a multibillionaire whose willing to pay for them out of his own pocket, or he has lost his mind, or he is totally misquoted. This air craft may be the best thing for the air force since the C47 (it served the AF for more than 60), but if the purchase was disapproved how does the AF buy it? If the AF has an extra $40,000,000,000.00 dollars just laying around I suggest they turn it back in.

Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren!

At least that’s the way, IMN2BHO, this old soldier and proud Coast Guard dad sees it!

Maybe he's feeling magnanimous, and he can buy the Navy an entire carrier strike group, and the Army a couple of BCTs.

The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

Think about it.

We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

LMAO

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Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

LMAO

Lockheed Martin Corp. 2004 Executive Compensation Report

Vance D. Coffman - Chairman, Former CEO - $19,034,951.00
Robert J. Stevens - President and CEO - $12,643,350.00
Dain M. Hancock - Executive Vice President, Aeronautics- $6,108,023.00
Robert B. Coutts - Executive Vice President - $5,626,271.00
Michael F. Camardo- Executive Vice President - $5,024,517.00
Frank H. Menaker - Senior Vice President - $4,781,693.00
Albert E. Smith - Former Vice President - $4,775,695.00

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We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

So you are saying we should pay more for a product with lesser quality?

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Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

Think about it.

We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

LMAO

I’m not saying don’t buy them, I’m saying the general and the AF staff must. like everyone else in the military, follow orders. If the AF has 40B that they can redirect their budget it is obvious that their budget is way out of line.

I also think if the purchase is ever going to be made it must be done before the new administration. Right now it looks like two of the three candidates would prevent such improvements to our defense. You guess which two.

Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren!

At least that’s the way, IMN2BHO, this old soldier and proud Coast Guard dad sees it!

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Originally posted by OldArmyWOPA:

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Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

Think about it.

We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

LMAO

I’m not saying don’t buy them, I’m saying the general and the AF staff must. like everyone else in the military, follow orders. If the AF has 40B that they can redirect their budget it is obvious that their budget is way out of line.

I also think if the purchase is ever going to be made it must be done before the new administration. Right now it looks like two of the three candidates would prevent such improvements to our defense. You guess which two.

Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren!

At least that’s the way, IMN2BHO, this old soldier and proud Coast Guard dad sees it!

Thanks pard

I agree.

I wasn’t pointing fingers by the way….Just generalizing to make a point and wake some up.


I’m staying republican.

And your right. I guess that shows how smart those two are, doesn't it?

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

LMAO

Lockheed Martin Corp. 2004 Executive Compensation Report

Vance D. Coffman - Chairman, Former CEO - $19,034,951.00
Robert J. Stevens - President and CEO - $12,643,350.00
Dain M. Hancock - Executive Vice President, Aeronautics- $6,108,023.00
Robert B. Coutts - Executive Vice President - $5,626,271.00
Michael F. Camardo- Executive Vice President - $5,024,517.00
Frank H. Menaker - Senior Vice President - $4,781,693.00
Albert E. Smith - Former Vice President - $4,775,695.00

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We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

So you are saying we should pay more for a product with lesser quality?

By today’s standards they are real little guys. Take a look at the top ten paid CEO in America. This site will automatically go through them like slide show. I'm not saying this is fair, I'm just pointing out the face of today's economy.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/highest-paid-ceos-lead...html?thisSpeed=10000

Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren!

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Originally posted by OldArmyWOPA:

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Originally posted by NSNN:

quote:

Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

LMAO

Lockheed Martin Corp. 2004 Executive Compensation Report

Vance D. Coffman - Chairman, Former CEO - $19,034,951.00
Robert J. Stevens - President and CEO - $12,643,350.00
Dain M. Hancock - Executive Vice President, Aeronautics- $6,108,023.00
Robert B. Coutts - Executive Vice President - $5,626,271.00
Michael F. Camardo- Executive Vice President - $5,024,517.00
Frank H. Menaker - Senior Vice President - $4,781,693.00
Albert E. Smith - Former Vice President - $4,775,695.00

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We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

So you are saying we should pay more for a product with lesser quality?

By today’s standards they are real little guys. Take a look at the top ten paid CEO in America. This site will automatically go through them like slide show. I'm not saying this is fair, I'm just pointing out the face of today's economy.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/highest-paid-ceos-lead...html?thisSpeed=10000

Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren!

Is that what you think of American products or is that a joke?



If you look back at some of President Bush's addresses, he stated that he
was going to look into the CEO's dealings and why some after setting certain standards leave the nest so to speak after a big pay check and the
workers pay stays the same.
They know where the greed lays without a fix.

That was not his exact words but everyone knows what's going on.

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Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

Think about it.

We should buy more American made products and buy American cars.
I'll bet most complaining about the cost, are driving a car made
in another country.

LMAO

Yeah, they're made in America, paid for by American tax dollars.

Where do you think that money comes from?

Think about it.

We should be careful about how much we take from the American taxpayer to buy expensive weapon systems which will have a negligible impact on national security considering the amount of money spent.

LMAO

The F-22 is simply the best fighter aircraft in the world, and certainly a deterent to any other Air Force in the world, but this is NOT the aircraft the U.S. Military currently needs. We should be buying the best "mud mover" avialable to support all the ground pounders we have fielded. When was the last time a USAF aircraft shot down another in action?

Lockheed Martin/Boeing....don't worry..we'll buy more when we cut another 25,000 personnel from our payroll.

Wonder if these new toys will protect our ground troops from the dangers they're facing on the ground....not

Maybe there's some Taliban/Al-Qaeda Air Force we're not aware of.

As a 61 year old x-medic it seems speeding all that money on planes to fight guys on horses makes us look disconnected. The reality is we are going broke buying aircraft that usually take forever to get delivered and never quite live up to the bill of goods we the people pay for. As for politics, the gop has squander away all the surplus and has indebted us to the tune of 4 trillion dollars to the Chinese. If I were the guy who is going to vote gop in this next election I suggest for a reality check he should buy stock in american workers products and see how little he gets back what with all the give away by gop into this administration trade deals. The gop in the last 7 years have hurt our imagine, ruined our workers standard living and destroyed our respect through out the world and fighting wars on lies is not the american way, contrary to NeoNaziCon dogma rhetoric.

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Originally posted by oldbuckjumper:
The raptor is made in America isn't it?

Where do you think the money goes?

Think about it.

They are built right here in Dallas - Ft Worth, TX. Woo-hoo, Cha-Ching!

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So you are saying we should pay more for a product with lesser quality?

Deliver that tongue-in-cheek crack to the folks I work with at Pratt & Whitney who make the F119 and the F135 engines for the F22 and the F35. They'll be happy to educate you about "lesser quality."

The F22 easily outperforms any existing fighter in the world. The F35 will hold its own as well.

If General Carlson plans to fund them without Pentagon approval, he had better find the money quickly. It looks as if the Democrats have a chance to retake the White House, and increase their majority in Congress: I would be willing to bet that A.F. funding will be further reduced if that does happen

Come on people .... think beyond the end of your noses.

The first duty of our government is to protect Americans, America and American interests. At the very top of that line of defense is air superiority.

No, that does not mean transport or logistics.
No, that does not mean recon and intel.
No, that does not mean direct ground support (or "moving dirt", as some prefer to call it).

It means none of those things because none of those things can exist in a viable form UNLESS we have air superiority FIRST!

All the transports, intel & recon, and "dirt movers" just ain't gonna' live long without air superiority. And all you ground pounders and sailors (I thank you for doing a nasty job, God bless you all) who have never had to fight while being attacked from the air .... consider yourselves fortunate.

Yeah, I simplified this story a bit, but the fact remains that the guy who owns the high ground ALWAYS has a definite advantage (and keeps breathing the longest).

We NEED the F-22 to allow the F-35's and you all to carry out your duties as best you can .... unless, of course you prefer to have no air superiority and want to do your job while being straffed and bombed by Spads, Cessnas, or MIGs.

If our government does not provide us with the very best aircraft available to do THEIR job, (protect us and our nation and our interests) they are NOT doing their job. When that happens, you and WE will pay the cost .... and you all know that THAT cost will not be measured in dollars.

The General is probably not a billionaire, and probably did speak out of turn, but you cannot deny that what he said is best for America. That being the case he was doing his duty .... better than those he was addressing were doing their duty.

God bless America and all those who are defending her.