RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,157978,00.html

I'm still up in the air on this. It would be nice to have some in reserve imho.

Yeah. I was recently made aware of how difficult it is to transport military hardware overseas.

I still want one to drive through the Golden Arches

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071211/ts_csm/omahdi

I wouldn't be in such a hurry. The fun's just begun.

Down size, upgrade, down size, upgrade...First new equipment will be coming, then it won't. We need alot of this...oh, I guess we don't need as many. I know one thing...when I go over there, I sure hope I get one of these! They are a nice piece of equipment, but very expensive, in comparison to the up armor vehical we are currently using.

My name is silly and I speak so funny. Who cares, there question is who needs WRAPRS?

Since when did contractors listen to the pentagon? All they have to do is get their "buddies" on the inside to "order" someone to reacquisition the vehicles. If that doesn't work then the threat of breach of contract will scare them into paying for them even if we don't need them. Such nonsense well after the fact is slowly bleeding our country from the inside.
Wow, maybe that was the goal of the terrorists from the beginning.....

What we need is less BS and more equipment.

That is our home away from home, like Germany, Japan and many other
places in the world.
We haven't taken over any country as many have tried to do.
We have only looked to secure and protect the weak and support peace.

When in Gods name are they going to wake up and see the history of the
fact?

Yes we do need them cause we need more safety for us on the ground. and they we r down sizing we are only getting rid of maybe 5000 tropes. so i say yes we need all of them.

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Originally posted by 15945305:
Yes we do need them cause we need more safety for us on the ground. and they we r down sizing we are only getting rid of maybe 5000 tropes. so i say yes we need all of them.

Yes, by all mneans, send them the equipment. It is apparently the best we have, but a poor excuse for what the service needs. Leave it to the military to not specify that the equipment needs to operate off-road, actually make turns and operate in confined spaces, is unwieldy. can't cross bridges (what's that all about?).

My son's unit, operating with Hum Vees, but mostly on dismount, were expecting these MRAPs, but apparently now they are not going to show up. Sounds like a usual Cluster F__k. He was in Stykers on his first deployment, which in retrospect appear to have been a world class fighting machine. So, why not modify a proven vehicle with the V-hull and put them in the field, could probably retrofit in the field and get them operational faster.

But let's not quibble, if the MRAP is what we've got; then get them out in the field where they can do some good; and provide an extra level of protection for our guys. How many? Ask the field commanders, give them some credit; forget about the pentagon PhD civilian estimators.

With all due respect to the good general, our guys are warriors, not statesmen or social workers. You want to win the hearts and minds of these people? Send over these whining State Dept weenies that pissed in their pants when they were asked to go. Seems that "touchy feely" is more in line with their job description than our warriors.

Sorry, just another layer of disgust!
Jareddad

Are Army Generals just plain stupid? Keep the production line moving and order more. The AF doesn't need all those Raptors, or the new bomber, or the new tanker. The Army's done all the heavy lifting and need to replace the Humvee p.o.s.

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Originally posted by veetel:
Are Army Generals just plain stupid? Keep the production line moving and order more. The AF doesn't need all those Raptors, or the new bomber, or the new tanker. The Army's done all the heavy lifting and need to replace the Humvee p.o.s.

Brilliant thinking

When is the American public going to get so fed up with the
gross negligence, waste, graft & corruption regarding the DoD's procurement/contract system that they DEMAND a complete overhaul to avoid similar bouts of insanity ?
BREATH NOT HELD !

They could have used every one ordered if they had been provided three years ago when the troops wanted them. By dragging their feet the suits outwaited the need. Too bad countless troops had to pay with their limbs and lives.

How much does a Stryker cost as opposed to one of these MRAP jobs??? Seems to me we are trying to reinvent the wheel..
Being former Navy you do have to give me a little slack on the "Gravel crushers " equip. as concerns its use and cost, etc etc

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Originally posted by RiverRat139:
How much does a Stryker cost as opposed to one of these MRAP jobs??? Seems to me we are trying to reinvent the wheel..
Being former Navy you do have to give me a little slack on the "Gravel crushers " equip. as concerns its use and cost, etc etc

Strykers held up very well when the first SBCTs were deployed. However, as enemy's learned to defeat them, Stryker's survivability quickly decreased. The Stryker is a light armored vehicle and was never designed to be able to take the kind of punishment seen recently. It did well for a time, but MRAP fits the bill as a "mine resistant" vehicle which was designed for EOD and route clearance.