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Warned for racist comments. 40 days 1 August 2008 USAF_76 |
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We need a new beginning. McCain and/or Clinton are more of the same: leaders who contributed to a historic mistake that resulted in 4000 Americans needlessly killed and tens of thousands wounded, and a wave of anti-American hatred sweeping the world. McCain and Clinton won't apologize for their error. And a failure to tell the truth is no foundation on which to build a presidency.
once again another person who has forgotten about terrorists and thinking this whole war was not necessary...wake up mr. what is mccain to apologize for, for trying to defeat terrorists to make our home safer...yea there is crime everywhere even inside our states but our biggest threat is out there and we are trying to finish the job, another cry baby whining about the war, it makes me sick that these idiots cant see that we are in danger somewhat.....so that whole sentence this guy just wrote was a bunch of BS , plain and simple. this guy said they contributed to over 4,000 deaths, who did? Mccain? nope.... and anytime there is conflict lives will be lost, its happened since the first days on earth....the reason our lives are the way they are today is because of previous wars WE have won... trust me we will win the war on terror and THEN we can return to normal, but for now , for our safety this is the most necessary thing to do period. |
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the problem with you people is that you think since we live in the United States nothing can happen to us then...9/11 happened which was devastating, but after a few years people that think like this guy are ready to just let it go...bush simply responded to the attacks with a full blown war on terror...ok we got that part down...now.....if we were to pull the military out of iraq right now, the worst is to come let me put it that way....but people dont believe anything can happen to them until it does, i on the other hand am a realist and dont take anything for granted, thats why im for this war b/c i want to be safer and not have to look over my back, this is America , the best country on earth, and the freest country on earth, if you want it to stay that way, vote Mccain...and another thing we ARENT going through a recession, whoever the idiot that came up w/ that is lying just to talk so more **** about bush....Bush has done a good job overall, name a president who has had a perfect 4 or 8 yrs...in the long run a term or two terms is absolutely nothing compared to the big picture....and we didnt find any weapons of mass destruction..of course we didnt these guys arent stupid, obviously if Osama is still out there chillin in his hole and we cant find him they arent stupid....everybody WAKE UP and get out of la la land and come back to reality....
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63,000 lost jobs in feb 08 the worst since 03 if that is not a recession then we are off to a great start !!! So you really think Mccain will make a difference? whover gets elected will have to sort of alot of mess at home and overseas, I for one would rather see our service members home now with thier loved ones too many deployments have stretched our military thin and if you dont believe it talk to someone that has been there. This message has been edited. Last edited by: spartan121, |
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I see you haven't taken me up on the suggestion that you actually take some time to do a little research and think about the crap you've obviously been spoon-fed about this war. You talk big, questioning the courage of those against this war who have been there and done that and come back convinced that we're following the wrong path. I see you describe yourself as a military enthusiast, but you've never been to war. Neither have I, but I listen closely to those who have, and have had a lot of contact with them, too. I've listened to family members, friends, colleagues, and clients who've been to war, and they don't seem to share you sense of enthusiasm or your certainty that continuing this endless occupation of Iraq will make us safer. You talk about the "war on terror". How do you wage war on a tactic? I've asked you this question before and you never answer. You chastise people on this site who show no enthusiasm for the war and tell them that they don't understand that 9/11 means we're vulnerable. I live a mile or so from the Pentagon. Don't lecture me about 9/11. I knew people involved on the ground and in the plane. How did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? You call yourself a "realist". Let me tell you, you are anything but that. Realists don't go around shoehorning life's realities into their own little worldview. They don't question other people's experiences through the prism of their own ideology. Realists take a cold, objective look at the world and ask themselves what works and why. They don't go around saying "let's do it this way because it matches my belief system." Then you go and say we aren't in a recession. Really? Upon what do you base this conclusion? Is it because you heard it on Rush's program or do you actually know anything about economics? Seriously, I'm beginning to despair of ever getting through to you. You need to use your brain for something more than memorizing right wing memes. |
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Please everyone visit Religionofpeace.com.
No matter your persuasion on the war,Islam is poised to destroy all we hold as truth. Islam hates us because we stand for freedom. There is no freedom in Islam! Just look at all the dead bodies they leave in their wake. Women,children mean nothing to them. Beheadings? Who does that anymore but Islam. It is a teaching of the Qu'ran which we all need to read.Love freedom? Stop Jihad. Semper Fidelis |
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I sympathize with Mr. Schaeffer, having been a lifelong Republican myself. Although I was tempted sorely to switch party affiliation, just so I could vote for Edwards, then Obama, and against Clinton, I could not bring myself to do it. The Republican Party must be healed from within. Hopefully, Jim Webb can return to the Republican Party and that Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul could rise to the leadership of the Party. But it will take a resounding defeat -like 1964- for that to happen.
Barack Obama is a man with good intentions, who I hope is also a man of great character. I share with Mr. Schaeffer his admiration and support for Obama. But clearly, John McCain is the more qualified. What makes Obama the better choice is McCain's view that the United States must wage an endless war against Islam in support of Zionism, if the American way of life is to be preserved. I will always respect John McCain for his service and his resolve. But he is so wrong about this! Still, I would support him over Clinton, who is without shame and without honor. |
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_________________________________________________________________________________________________ SEE IF YOU CAN GRASP THIS CONCEPT MR MILITARY ENTHUSIAST....There were no terrorists in Iraq unitl after the invasion. Most if not all of the high target terrorist were in A-Stan or P-Stan. Many believe they still are, but we are currently involved in a long and tough nation building effort in Iraq, one which is still in doubt, and has allowed the bad guys to reconstitute. Instead of calling those that believe we need a new direction in the war on terror "idiots", perhaps you should enlist as quickly as possible, and then your contention that "we are trying to finish the job" would have more credence. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MarineAuntie
Regarding ColtsFootball18 You talk big, questioning the courage of those against this war who have been there and done that and come back convinced that we're following the wrong path. I see you describe yourself as a military enthusiast, but you've never been to war. Neither have I, but I listen closely to those who have, and have had a lot of contact with them, too. You chastise people on this site who show no enthusiasm for the war and tell them that they don't understand that 9/11 means we're vulnerable. This person ColtsFootball18 and I am calling you out. What do you know about the war have you been there ? you sound like a total chickenhawk !!! if your so gung-ho about the war why dont you sign up and go fight take the place of some of my friends that are going on their 3rd or maybe even 4th tour. Point is get your facts straight there are alot of us ex military that are fed up with whats going on over there some of us have just gotten tired of the games and came out and want to start all over. I am sure you and the rest of the pro-war crowd would like it over in iraq that is if your not all scared of signing up.I am a republican and want to see something new as far as I am concerned britney spears should run ha!ha! |
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Right; kill'em all... Onward Christian soldier   Obama is the militarys' best hope. |
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You'll be waiting a long time if you expect Webb to return to the Republicans. He was never comfortable as a Republican, having converted purely over the Vietnam war and nothing else. Philosophically he describes himself as a Jacksonian Democrat, a populist who believes strongly that government should emanate from the ground up, not from the top down. He dislikes elitism and concepts like "trickle down" Reaganomics. He's strongly pro-union and pro-fair trade (versus alleged free trade - he says the deck is stacked to reward corporations for moving overseas and screwing over the little guy). His economic positions are very similar to Edwards. He rails against overpaid CEOs who make 400 times what the average worker makes. No, Jim Webb will never be a Republican again. Maybe you could consider becoming a Jim Webb Democrat - sort of like a Blue Dog. Blue Dogs are strongly pro-military, pro gun rights, and pro economic responsibility. They believe we should not go around engaging in nation building and are leery of foreign entanglements. Webb would tell you he warned many years ago against building military installations in Muslim countries because he believed it would make enemies and tie up our forces to our strategic detriment. Smart guy. |
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I'm sorry to have to brake the news to you people who think Obama or Clinton is going to make a change. When are you ever going to wake up.
Its the same old sh*t HIGH TAXES and NO MILITARY, just look at the Dems in the house now did they do what they told us they was going to do, well lets see they gave themselfs two pay raises and voted to give themselfs a three day work week insted of five. As Nanci Polosi said we well work day and night to get the country back on track. "OH WELL" |
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SEMPER FI AND GOD BLESS AMERICA
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Thank you Mr. Schaeffer! Your article is not only very timely, but most importantly on the mark and very reflective of the opinions of many Military Families. I am a proud Vietnam Veteran, a Retired Military Officer, a Father whose son has had multiple tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and until recently a Registered Republican. I voted for Senator Jim Webb, and most recently I voted for Senator Barack Obama in the Virginia Primary.
I have concerns as well about Senator Obama, but I also believe he sincerely offers at least a glimmer of hope for the future. We have had eight years of a Clinton Administration and almost twelve years of Bush Administrations. Enough is Enough...As a Nation, we can ill afford much more of the bitter partisan politics and Damn the Torpedoes and Full Speed Ahead Attitudes. It truly is time for a change of the status quo in Washington. |
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MarineAuntie: If a "Jim Webb Democrat" is what you describe it to be, I would be comfortable becoming one. But the other side of the coin is that the Democrats as a party must "reject and denounce" the Clintonians among them.
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It is a shame that there are so many fathers like this one, especially when we didn't need to inspire him to turn his back on the Republican Party, like so many other fathers and families have. McCain is mad, he is old and he is the very definition of a FLIP-FLOPER... right alongside Hillary. We all need a new voice to speak for America, and Obama will do that just fine. |
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And radical CHRISTIANS seem to stand poised to kill all of them. Are you a Christian,sir? Just look at all the dead bodies throughout the last 1000 years as a direct result of Radical Christiandom. You can start by looking at our own history, the one where Christians demanded we live with Slavery, and tried to justify it by using the bible as their guide. Rubbish. |
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I agree this war thing is getting dragged out so it is time to end it.
First we get General Pershing to lead a cavelery charge from the South and General Patton will flank from the East and Lt Colonel Theodore Roosevelt and his Rough Riders along with General Washington and his minutemen will come in front the West. In 3 days it will be over. And in reserve we will have General Sherman and his men. |
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AG...Dream on...the GOP has been carjacked by the Apocalypse Now gang of looney tunes and the money grubbing corporations who use them. Look up the word Dominionism, here I'll make it easy: BTW check out Ollie North!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism These are the folks that Senator McCain has been courting for over a year now to back his bid for the Presidency.John Hagee anyone? Ask yourself, Why did Jim Webb leave the GOP? What was his epiphany? Heres Senator Webb's response the POTUS' State of the Union this year: January 28, 2008 SENATOR JIM WEBB'S RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS Washington, DC - Senator Webb issued the following statement in response to the President’s State of the Union address: Note: Audio of the statement can be accessed at http://demradio.senate.gov/actualities/webb/webb080128.mp3. “A year ago, I had the honor of delivering the response to the President’s State of the Union address and covered a number of issues that are not only still relevant today, but unfortunately, have increased in terms of the threat to the long-term welfare of our country. “In terms of foreign policy, over the last year the discussion with this administration have been based solely on military activities inside Iraq, rather than the political considerations in Iraq and the diplomatic considerations in the region, and the long-term dangers that have increased throughout the region over the last year, from Lebanon all the way over to Pakistan. “We have seen the movement of much of al Qaeda out of Iraq, largely into Afghanistan and Pakistan. I was discussing this phenomenon before and during my recent trip to Iraq. Unfortunately, after that trip, we saw the assassination of Benazir Bhutto by al Qaeda. “We need a vigorous approach with the strong leadership from the United States to focus on diplomatic solutions that can take advantage of the excellence that our military has brought to the specific situation inside Iraq — not simply the reiteration of what those military people have been doing. “Economically, I worry that this country is moving into an unresolved crisis that at this point is as worrisome as anything we’ve seen since perhaps the Great Depression. “On one hand, we are all aware right now of the crisis that has emerged out of the banking and mortgage industry which has affected banks across the country and internationally as well. As this has developed we have not yet addressed the issues of executive compensation, which I mentioned last year during the State of the Union response. When I graduated from college the average CEO in this country made 20 times what the average worker makes. Today, that average CEO makes 400 times what the average worker makes. “And, we’re not seeing benefits to the average workers themselves from corporate profits. And we have seen no move from this administration to recognize these sorts of issues. “On the horizon, we have a concept of sovereign wealth funds, where foreign governments, including the government of China, are making large-scale investments inside our economy. There are serious concerns, including national security concerns, that arise, and we haven’t heard any word out of this administration on that note. “And finally we have a balance of trade issue in our economy that is going in the other direction to the tune of two billion dollars a day, making our economy vulnerable in many ways. “I also spoke last year about accountability; the accountability of the Presidency to Congress and the accountability of all of us to the American people. We have seen no movement from this administration on that front. “What we have is a situation in which every single issue of consequence that has been brought to the Senate floor has been filibustered by the Republican Party with the direct cooperation of the White House. The previous two-year record for filibusters in the United States Senate was 61 in two years. We just saw last year, in one year, was 62 filibusters. This is a deliberate obstruction of government process. The opposing party seems to be more interested in party politics going into this election than they are in the long term health of our country. “For those who are living in Virginia, I would like to say that Senator John Warner and myself, although we are of opposing parties, have developed a model that could be used for bi-partisanship efforts, truly and sincerely for the good of the country, as well as working on issues for the good of the people of Virginia. “We don’t always agree, in fact we frequently disagree on political issues. But, on all those issues where we come together— as for instance on issues like judgeships—we work openly, we work intimately. We sit down together and work things out. If we can do it for Virginia, we can do it in the country.” The only way to change the GOP is to defeat it ala 1932 style. |
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When was the last time hillary klinton or b. hussein obama visited a VA or military hospital???... And who has not forgotten klinton's disdain and discust for the military while se was the derfacto VP???....
klinton or b. hussein obama are both anti-military euro-socialist surrender quitters. Voting for any Dem/Lib is a vote against the security of the U.S. Best Democratic bumper sticker b. hussein obama, endorsed by Osama |
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