I would have to say the main stream media was never really behind this war and therefore, your answer is, from before we went into Iraq. I don't think we are going to loose the war at all. If a democrat is put into the White House in 08' however it is a done deal. The current canidates (dems.) have all said they will set a pull out time. I just hope that the people wake up to what is really at stake if we pull out. Time will tell. I for one hope the polls and hype are proven wrong.
As far as the cause of the poll results I would sum it up in one word and that word is, Trolls!
There is an incredible number of "Hit and Run" posters and individuals with multiple on-line identities.
With that said, the poll results are probably correct in sensing a trend. However, there is an emerging difference in supporting the troops and victory versus supporting the success of the Iraqi government.
Smith is right in his asumption about the Iraquies being in it for revenge IMO. Revenge against Americans and seeing how our troops must pay for protecting the lives of the innocent and there fellow servicemen. I also beleive that our Military.com polls are BS by the fact mentioned above. Just think, if Military.com's polls showed overwhelming voted to keep us there until the mission was complete would there be such a story that mentioned our site? NOPE! but seen as how we have Trolls out here voteing 100 times to balance out the poll now they will say "oh look! even the pro military are against this!" Gimmie a break! every poll conducted that I took part in showed more support than the 11% who didn't and all the sudden 79% of us change our minds at the last minut and then our poll shows up in a story????? Do I feel the BS detector hitting all time highs?????????
Is it me, or do some people like to stand around with there heads in the sand like an ostrich. We went into Iraq illegally, which is to say we invade a legitimate nation based on false assumptions created by the current administration. Now we have more than 3500 head troops (to include female troops for the first time in direct combat roles) and we have gained nothing but more enemies. If you were alive in 2001 (Sep 11th) you will remember that initially the Muslim world was behind us trying to take out and/or eliminate Al Quako. Now they profess distain with us and call us "crusaders" and occupying force. The American public too has learned the truth (despite some idiots who still believe Dick(head) Cheney) that we should have never invaded Iraq because they posed no threat to America. What have we gained; because of the invasion there are more than ever wantabe Jihadists who want to kill Americans. Even members, as well as former members of the military are smart enough to know this is a bad situation that can only be fixed by getting out of Iraq (the sooner the better). And for you true idiots who think we need to win this war in Iraq, please read a little; educate yourselves and you will realize that will never happen. These factions in Iraq have a history of hatred towards each other older than 1000 years. That is not something the all the “king’s (King George) horses and all the kings men” can ever change.
2278377 Please heed your own advice and read a little you will find out there were plenty of legitamate reasons to enter Iraq that were pointed out even by forign intelligence agencies from nations that were allied with Iraq and may I point out that Al Gore made the call to war with Iraq back in 1993 stateing that Saddam had WMD's and was attempting to purchase yellow cake from several african nations check out the video of his speech on youtube. Having said that we are in this war and we are in it to win if you are in basic training you'll find this out soon if you don't you're obviously a POG.
Originally posted by 2278377: Is it me, or do some people like to stand around with there heads in the sand like an ostrich. We went into Iraq illegally, which is to say we invade a legitimate nation based on false assumptions created by the current administration. Now we have more than 3500 head troops (to include female troops for the first time in direct combat roles) and we have gained nothing but more enemies. If you were alive in 2001 (Sep 11th) you will remember that initially the Muslim world was behind us trying to take out and/or eliminate Al Quako. Now they profess distain with us and call us "crusaders" and occupying force. The American public too has learned the truth (despite some idiots who still believe Dick(head) Cheney) that we should have never invaded Iraq because they posed no threat to America. What have we gained; because of the invasion there are more than ever wantabe Jihadists who want to kill Americans. Even members, as well as former members of the military are smart enough to know this is a bad situation that can only be fixed by getting out of Iraq (the sooner the better). And for you true idiots who think we need to win this war in Iraq, please read a little; educate yourselves and you will realize that will never happen. These factions in Iraq have a history of hatred towards each other older than 1000 years. That is not something the all the “king’s (King George) horses and all the kings men” can ever change.
Explain what exactly was illegal about us going to war? The UN authorized the use of military force and so did the US congress. So how is that illegal? While the amount of WMD wasn't found that was originally thought to be there (and that is a problem I acknowledge and agree with) it does not make the war illegal. And how is it that the Muslim world was with us for the invasion of Iraq? They were dancing in the streets while the Twin Towers were on fire, the Pentagon was crumbling, and a jet crashed into a field in Penn.
Who gives a flip of mainstream media ? Possibly sheep! Point of what is driving our elected officals is what?! The War in Iraq, and our troops presence of 1.5K over the past five years.
Simpley the Dems are headed by an indivdual that has & is defiantley against our presence in Iraq, and all that is associated with whatever efforts have undertaken, and as usual has the typical drive thru mentality. It is again of no surpise of last nights marathon debate (more like a 5K ).
Poll's are made for climbing or sliding down, and for the few nutz to sit on no need for'em, unless of course there were plenty for the dems and their fifth point!
Originally posted by 2278377: Is it me, or do some people like to stand around with there heads in the sand like an ostrich. We went into Iraq illegally, which is to say we invade a legitimate nation based on false assumptions created by the current administration. Now we have more than 3500 head troops (to include female troops for the first time in direct combat roles) and we have gained nothing but more enemies. If you were alive in 2001 (Sep 11th) you will remember that initially the Muslim world was behind us trying to take out and/or eliminate Al Quako. Now they profess distain with us and call us "crusaders" and occupying force. The American public too has learned the truth (despite some idiots who still believe Dick(head) Cheney) that we should have never invaded Iraq because they posed no threat to America. What have we gained; because of the invasion there are more than ever wantabe Jihadists who want to kill Americans. Even members, as well as former members of the military are smart enough to know this is a bad situation that can only be fixed by getting out of Iraq (the sooner the better). And for you true idiots who think we need to win this war in Iraq, please read a little; educate yourselves and you will realize that will never happen. These factions in Iraq have a history of hatred towards each other older than 1000 years. That is not something the all the “king’s (King George) horses and all the kings men” can ever change.
I actually feel bad for even saying anything to you due to the fact that you just had your azz handed to you by others BUT, in a free America and not knowing how much longer it will be with folks such as you, have you happened to "read" anything produced by Islam? Guess what? All involved in this religon of peace want the "west" dead. Oh, I just remebered, alot of them there Islamist reside in Iraq ! LOL, I read that somewhere, cant seem to remeber if it was painted all over what Americans call ' common knowlage or not but you might wanna look into it. As far as being backed by the Islamic world after 9/11 did you mean by the steriotypical 7/11 owners???? Well, most are from India but for the few Iranians & Iraqies I will bet that they would take the side of there fellow bretheran over some common infiedels.
Ward Carroll says: Therefore I have trouble believing that Military.com readers can be manipulated solely by the MSM's one-sided coverage (if it's true that the coverage is one-sided).
Yes, even Military.com readers have had enough. Are you really surprised? As a recent SECDEF<==Mr. Henny Penny the sky is falling Donald Rumsfeld himself might have put it: "Goodness, no."<==Rummy we hardly knew ye....not! So if it's not the MSM, to what do we attribute this poll's results? (And please, loyal readers and cherished friends, don't tell me we're going to lose this thing . . .)
This thing called Iraq is NOT ours to lose. Its up to the Iraqis what kind of hell hole they end up with for a country when we are gone. And yes there are going to be retributions with the requisite al-qaeda haircuts, bodies in the river,death squads, and car bombs. So why do our troops have to be in the middle of it? Thats why 60% are saying adios Iraq.
I remain puzzled as to why the "Media" blame rant continues to be cited by some many that post on this forum. I said it before, and I will re iterate... Wars and conflicts ultimately earn the reputation they deserve. Americans will go to hell and back to win a war.... if it is justified by facts not emotion, if the mission is clear and not changed as rapidly as the weather, and when is is sustainable.
If one accepts that one sided Media is the root cause of failure in Irag (and I do not), perhaps Tony Snow and White House Press Corp should pack up, head off to Iraq and present the American Public and Mil.com with their account of the truth. Maybe we can convince Sean Hannity and Fox news to do likewise... after all they portray themselves as fair and balanced reporting. I'm still waiting for some specifics from those Senators and Reps that continually boast about how many trips they've made to Iraq... please tell us of all the successes related to restoration of electricity, water supplies, oil production, Iraqi's taking responsibility for their own security (not turning their weapons on us), and of course Democracy taking hold in the form of a unity government.
The success stories I read and hear about through those that have served and returned are usually related to our troops interaction and assistance with the Iraqi population. It is amazaing stuff... but by itself not enough.
We need to make progress on the economic and political fronts... and until we stop blaming the Media, and direct our outrage at the shameful lack of leadership and direction in Washington, I'm afraid our troops will continue to be placed in a very difficult position.
"Military.com membership was not required" to use your own parathetical citation. Don't think for a second that someone would pass on the opportunity for some predatory subversion. After all, the Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, ellison circauit love 'Ghoul poliltics'.
If MSM is the enemy, why are MSM articles prominently used by MIL.COM. There has to be something out there other than AP; or is the main reason for this site to carp about the MSM. Now this month, here is how John "Q" Public can SUPPORT THE TROOPS. Take the month off. The Iraqi government is going to - it is just too hot this time of the year. The U.S. Gov is going to, too - it is just to hot and humid this time of year. Troops, we are behind you this time of year - WAY behind you.
What really is driving most of these polls is the results of the last 2 presidential elections. The close elections, and their candidates being losers, accounts for nearly half of America and about 90% of the news media. The losses in the house and senate by the Republicans were no big surprise. No one voted with sense, they voted with emotions driven by the MSM. The results of polls seem tied to preconceived ideas. You know, most people just tend to believe only what supports the things they want and they dismiss the rest. The "chicken in every pot" idea buys loyalty to the socialist party known as the Democratic party. The truth is out there, but some people don't want the truth.
I don't believe this particular poll on military.com is accurate. Judging from a lot of the comments, we are definitely infested. Face it. Some people will do anything to get Bush.
1) Questions for this poll implied bias, don't ask two questions for out and one for stay 2) Poll reporting article was biased in accumulating two separate poll values into one result 3) This poll could have been easily cheated and with little effort 4) Negative news sell best 5) Media is biased by political influence
NikeAjax is right this was a b.s. poll. When you can allow multiple poll submissions from a single i.p. address (I voted ten different times and it let me)-now how is that a fair and scientific polling of popular opinion. Sh#t 100 people polling several times a day could horribly skew the poll. Come on military.com get a clue and if you run another poll do it the right way.....it's obvious what your bias was and I thought a poll was to show the readers bias, not enthrall your own.
Why was the poll made in a way where non-site members could vote? If the poll was set up that way then how can it really be a poll of "Military.Com members"? I don't know how accurate the results are, but seems to me the method for setting up the poll is flawed and, regardless how you feel about the war, the results are garbage, with or without the claim about being non-scientific.
Poll? What Poll? I didn't even know there was a Poll! However, I don't know any serious military or ex military who are for leaving. My neighbor who just came back from a third tour in Iraq was extremely adament (strident and anamated) that we've got to let the military finish the war. All my other Marine and Army neighbors (I live just south of Quantico) are eager to go, or return. They sure don't want to fight terrorist over here, or have their kids have to go back in 10 years.
When has the Muslim world ever been supportive of us the "Great Satan
"278377: Is it me, or do some people like to stand around with there heads in the sand like an ostrich. We went into Iraq illegally, which is to say we invade a legitimate nation based on false assumptions created by the current administration. Now we have more than 3500 head troops (to include female troops for the first time in direct combat roles) and we have gained nothing but more enemies. If you were alive in 2001 (Sep 11th) you will remember that initially the Muslim world was behind us trying to take out and/or eliminate Al Quako. Now they profess distain with us and call us "crusaders" and occupying force. The American public too has learned the truth (despite some idiots who still believe Dick(head) Cheney) that we should have never invaded Iraq because they posed no threat to America. What have we gained; because of the invasion there are more than ever wantabe Jihadists who want to kill Americans. Even members, as well as former members of the military are smart enough to know this is a bad situation that can only be fixed by getting out of Iraq (the sooner the better). And for you true idiots who think we need to win this war in Iraq, please read a little; educate yourselves and you will realize that will never happen. These factions in Iraq have a history of hatred towards each other older than 1000 years. That is not something the all the “king’s (King George) horses and all the kings men” can ever change.[/QUOTE]
? Possibly sheep 
! Point of what is driving our elected officals is what?! 
"Military.com membership was not required" to use your own parathetical citation.
