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RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,157642,00.html
Just another op-ed under the heading "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." The critical question was and is and will be if a threat is truly "imminent" or not. Available information says the U.S. is not under "imminent" threat from Iran. It is fair to say that many if not most Americans no longer trust this Administration's "interpretations" of intelligence nor that it is operating in good faith with the secret information it has. A sad state of affairs. And the folks at the Administration friendly Heritage Foundation should share the blame for that. Just another self-involved collection of elitists as far as I'm concerned. The "need for vigilance" has always been there, you silly people. The Iran Report shows there's no need to go off half-cocked again as was done before with Iran's neighbor(and rival... and part of the tenuous balance of power in the ME) to the west. |
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I'm inclined to agree. |
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After reading this, I have come to the conclusion that he either copied GW's answers from that news conference yesterday word-for-word, or he wrote them all, for GW. |
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I am serious now in asking you this question... what is it specifically that makes you say this? I mean, what part of it is based upon ideology, either conservative OR liberal, whatever??? |
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How long has it been since we have had intelligence agencies work on intelligence and not push a political agenda?
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Weatherguesser:
Yep, our actions in Iraq were predicated upon relevant evidence and not an ideological bent for historical fame by those seeking it. S/F Gordon ______________________________________________ Posted Thu 06 December 2007 01:08 PM quote: Originally posted by bwf27: quote: Originally posted by uh34d: In my opinion, we have witnessed far too much ideology in our intel systems and not enough relevant evidence. S/F Gordon I'm inclined to agree. I am serious now in asking you this question... what is it specifically that makes you say this? I mean, what part of it is based upon ideology, either conservative OR liberal, whatever??? |
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We new before this national intelligence estimate came out that Iran had been working with Syria to develop nuclear arms, and most evidence suggested that the work had ended in 2003, so I don't see the purpose of Bush's reiteration of that point.
Now, do I think that they have been caught hyping a marginally supported interpretation of the intelligence available? Yes, I do. And, I would dare suggest that a look back at the interpretations that got us into Iraq on a WMD scare we would find a similar hyping to be responsible for those "intelligence errors". More importantly, it is now necessary that we take a close look at those responsible for participating in the hype that got us into Iraq and has been used to elevate tensions with Iran, for we can not allow this sort of manipulation to misdirect our strategic planning as it has in the past. Many of our politicians, republican and democrat, fall into this category and need to be let go. Whether or not they have the background to have interpreted the intelligence themselves is not the issue however. Though their inability to seek out those who could and would do so honestly is. The fact that our politicians have not used their Constitutional powers to ensure that these manipulations were not taking place, is equally as troubling as the manipulations themselves. |
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WOW! I am shocked that as far as Iran is concerned civilized people can come up with two totally different assumption's.Have we not been attacked by this country (Iran) numerous times and continue to have our men and women killed,maimed?
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As soon Iran had capabilities to build nukes, they stopped the nuclear weapons program, as it would not lead any further without nuclear fuel. What they are doing right now is breeding out that fuel. It's not difficult to see the coherences.
NIE talks about extremely cautious optimism, combined with deep concern. What does that say ? It says nobody has really a clue what these nuts in Iran will do tomorrow. One thing's for sure, they WANT nukes, the really want them. And they will do whatever it takes to get them. Cheating and lying is only on the lower scale of "whatever it takes". |
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It sure is difficult to find the word "Coherences" though, even in this context. But I'd sure like to see any proof of your claim... if you have any that is. |
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Just WHAT is the "Political Agenda" they are pushing with the newest NIE, or any NIE report for that matter? All 16 intelligence agencies agreed with a "High Degree Of Certainty"(in other words, they were sure about it) that Iran was NOT now producing weapons and/or weapons grade Plutonium, not for sale to anybody as far as they reported. So then, WHAT is the "political agenda" now being pushed by the NIE? |
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I don't see how that answers my question, at all. Details man, details. WHO is pushing ANY "Ideological Bent" in the NIE report? WHO, and WHAT is it? |
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When were "we" ever "attacked" by Iran? (Not including the hostage crisis in 78-79...K?) You said "Numerous Times"... got say 2 instances? |
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When were "we" ever "attacked" by Iran? (Not including the hostage crisis in 78-79...K?) You said "Numerous Times"... got maybe just 2 instances you can cite? |
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As to where our national intellegence is exploited politically, we as citizens have no way to fully know or appreciate, as we are not privy to so much of the critical information. That argument I defer to Frontline's The Dark Side.
As to Iran wanting nuclear weapons, I don't see them wanting it any more than we do. As to any citizen debate on issues built out of intellegence information to which we are not privy, it comes down to trust. Do you trust the source? Do you trust the leadership? Do you trust the organization? Do you risk the lives of yourself, family, friends or community for any decisions made from those sources? that leadership? that organization? Some folks trust this Administration and its use of intelligence. Some don't. |
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Maybe I've used the wrong translation, would you like "connection" better ?
No proof available, only my conclusion based on quite obvious facts. Must I have proofs to understand the obvious ? If you want to build a bomb and you know how, then the only things necessary are some tools and the material to build it. As Iran managed it to buy gas centrifuges, you can bet they have the other tools also. The only thing missing is the explosive, and for this reason gas centrifuges are running to separate that material. If you can't see that, you must have some serious blind spots in your view.
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Well let me see,how about something a little closer to 2007,Iraq.Oh right that "doesn't count"they're just killing and maiming American's in another country! |
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As far as I'm concerned the Iranian mullah's and Imanutjob want (because they've said it,atleast the latter has)he want's Israel destroyed as well as America.
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Question I wish to pose to you is:Why do you wish to exclude the Iran hostage crisis? |
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