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RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164706,00.html
Quite an interesting scenario! And plausible, if not likely. I believe that the weak link in this doomsday scenario is the several days of bad weather, during which the Iranians would drive toward Baghdad. It takes enormous logistics, intelligence, commmand and control capabilities to do that; and I don't think that Iran has such capabilities on the scale that would be required. Once upon a time (1975 - 1990), Israel had drawn up plans and developed the capability to drive an army through Jordan all the way to Baghdad. If such palns and capabilities exist -even if only in part- the U.S. Army will probably re-orient its supply lines through Jordan and into Israel. (The Israelis would love to claim that they saved the American Army!) Nonetheless, I agree with Mr. Lind that the U.S.Army and marine Corps will lose control of much of Iraq, for which they paid too much already in blood and treasure, sholuld Iran become the target of a widespread American attack. Still, the Americans feel so confident of the outcome, I believe that they must have something in mind which Mr. Lind has not envisioned. |
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Since Iran has already supplied aid and arms to the enemy in Iraq and other places through out the Middle-East I think this article is pretty moot. If an when the attack happens is something that will continue to be debated instead of others holding Iran to task for her threats and enemy aid they will put the blame on the US. Business as usual.
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Actually, they probably wouldn't put troops on the ground for some time, if at all, instead opting to have the Air Force and Navy bomb the country back to the stone age. We don't have (or need) the same investment in Iran that we have and need in Iraq for putting troops on the ground. At least not at this time anyway. |
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The military option used against Iran should ONLY be used when the Iranians are close to a bomb. Yes, they will make Basra impassable, send an army across the border, and we do not have the horses on the ground to just grind them up. The US Army is tired, its armor beat up by years of war, and the Iranians have plenty of armor and men to possibly break through somewhere. For GW Bush and his greedy inept crew to start a war now would be AGAINST wat I believe most Americans do not want. Remember, the Germans, especially Von Powlus' 6th Army Grp., were invincible, until they were pushed too far. Cut off. Yes, "the Kessel"...if ur thinking air power, it would take 4 or 5 carrier groups, airfields to house fighters and attack aircraft, and the help of a few of wat remains of countries that will fight from NATO. Massive. Even Gulf states would have to fight. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. This go to war with Iran should be shelved for now. You have chaos in Iraq now? Just think wat kind of chaos those Soldiers and Marines would be facing if this Administration went off half cocked...Go to PBS.org, there is plenty of information about the DISINFORMATION we were fed before Iraq.
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Hey, thats our boy!!! LOL!!!! Wat a great analogy...  |
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I hope clearer minds prevail! War with Iran?
Imagine World War III despite what Washington wants you to hear. Nor is turning their countries into a sea of glass. What is the real reason behind this scenario? A mad man? OIL? What on earth do we need all of the Middle East to join in a conflict we can't hope to win. We cannot win against History! A thousand years of fighting has been going on...Muslims against Christians and even just outsiders. What military Complex has gotten so large we can't control it? Didn't we learn anything from the past wars? I don't believe any American wants their oil at this great cost. No we cannot hide our heads in the sand. But we no longer need to be the Policeman of the world. We have taken $500 billion dollars against a colonial army, yet they continue to fight. Why? So why are we continuing down the same path? Some truths are self evident. We cannot afford this war. We cannot afford to stay there. We cannot afford to offer protections to countries which are not our supporting friends. Our ideals of America as the strong, the peacemaker, the friend to the small country is deserted. There is a difference between being strong and war-mongering. Yes, its a paradox. We support our troops but the war has to go! |
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And the author is correct, air power is always overrated regarding its capabilities.
S/F Gordon _______________________________________________ S/F Gordon: You are right (in part) what I was getting at is that the US could sustain an air campagin against Iran longer than a ground war. Look at how long we kept up Sounthern/Northern watch against Iraq. That is what I meant by the post. |
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_______________________________________________ Sorry but, the Iraq lockdown was done with very little challenge and attacks on aircraft. The Iranians do have sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons systems and will employ them. How successful they would be in turning back or inflicting heavy casualties on our air power remains to be seen but they will not be Iraq. In addition, we only have so many aircraft in the theater and Iran is a big playground. I think we will also have a munitions/ordinance problem and may not have enough to prosecute a sustained air bombardment. I have no proof just a feeling. I also believe Russia or China, possibly both would lend some form of aid to Iran. At the very least, electronic backup. Something akin to what we did for Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war. No, we are left with the dilemma that has plagued air power since its inception...while nice to have, it alone will never get the job done. S/F Gordon |
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The Chinese, Russians are happy to see us mired in Iraq. The Iranians will help thier Shia allies keep us there, bleeding us slow. A military option should be the last. When they get too close to a nuclear weapon, all bets are off. If its not the US, I suspect the Israeli's would strike with everything they have-excluding nuclear weapons. Then again, you never know.
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Exactly ! But of course the administration could not possibly chose a course so monumentally stupid. Then again I have been wrong before, like back in 2002 when I though they could not possibly be so monumentally stupid as to actually invade Iraq. regards JakobA "Good is better than bad cause its nicer" Mammy Yokum (as related by Al Capp) |
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