RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,181577,00.html

I wish it was as easy as pulling all of our troops out, and then blowing up all those countries that are the problem. I would press that button if presented to me.

you know i still cant believe they are still posting troop movement.... i mean god why are they writing these articles???

It's where our troops were more than justified in being, and should have been concentrated in the first place, not in Iraq.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:
It's where our troops were more than justified in being, and should have been concentrated in the first place, not in Iraq.

and there is the first to turn it into a iraq thread...

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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- The top U.S. military officer said Saturday that the Pentagon could double the number of American forces in Afghanistan by next summer to 60,000 - the largest estimate of potential reinforcements ever publicly suggested.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that between 20,000 and 30,000 additional U.S. troops could be sent to Afghanistan to bolster the 31,000 already there.

Isn't it interesting that Barack Obama called for exactly the same thing while he was running for President? I mean he said this is what we needed to do when he was in the debates, all of them, and even shortly after he became President-Elect? And all the while his opponent(s) claimed he didn't know what he was talking about.

Yet, now here we are 1 month from his inauguration as the new President/CinC, and that is exactly what is happening. How coincidental.

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Originally posted by outlaws93: and there is the first to turn it into a iraq thread...

Actually, the writer of the article made it apparent that IRAQ is directly related to the force levels in Afghanistan... but you didn't read that, right? As many troops as we put into Afghanistan? That is the number we will be pulling OUT of IRAQ... as the article stated, quite clearly:

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Overall, there are more than 60,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan. Mullen said any increased U.S. deployment would be directly tied to force levels in Iraq, where U.S. commanders are drawing down troops.

it seems we have not learned our lessons as of yet (vietnam, iraq etc...) why should we even be over there? We only want one of the scumballs real bad anyhow and if the money is large enough his own people would turn on him in a heartbeat. Overall its not worth one more american life.

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We only want one of the scumballs real bad anyhow

That so many Americans believe this, and believe that catching bin Laden will have any deliterious effect on the enemy is beyond me. I know it's the party line, but it's not based in reality.

Minds formed by episodes of Family Guy, and Law and Order, and thoughts expressed in the phonetic convenience of text grammar.

We're pretty much whipped as a nation.

""But the chairman conceded that the U.S. may have misjudged the central government's ability "to have the kind of impact that we wanted."

Afghanistan, Mullen said, has never been run by a strong central government, and the U.S. may look to communities and tribes in the country's provinces to take on a greater role in future strategy.

He called U.S. goals in Afghanistan "moderate," and said the long-term U.S. vision is for a country that can govern itself while respecting international law, while providing both material and economic security for its people.""

The quote above pretty much says it all...

Why is it so hard for anyone to think that we can go in to either country and turn things around in a few years, when these people have been living like they are for THOUSANDS of years???

We all knew, and know now, that this is not going to be easy, fast or fun.

Obviously, we should have finished what we started in '01 before we even thought about looking at Iraq. But there was a drunken sailor at the helm, and the rest is history.

Well, at least when I finally get my re-enlistment package together, I won't have to wory about not having anything to do when I'm in.

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Originally posted by M1Lase_n_Blaze:

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We only want one of the scumballs real bad anyhow

That so many Americans believe this, and believe that catching bin Laden will have any deliterious effect on the enemy is beyond me. I know it's the party line, but it's not based in reality.

Minds formed by episodes of Family Guy, and Law and Order, and thoughts expressed in the phonetic convenience of text grammar.

We're pretty much whipped as a nation.

Exactly.

What the average Joe does not understand is if Binny were ot be captured and that immage was spewed all over the wire, there would be even more of an uprising.

We have to fight this enemy by thinking like they do and trying to remain not one, but three steps ahead of them.

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Originally posted by papasangel:
it seems we have not learned our lessons as of yet (vietnam, iraq etc...) why should we even be over there? We only want one of the scumballs real bad anyhow and if the money is large enough his own people would turn on him in a heartbeat. Overall its not worth one more american life.

Apparently you have no knowledge of which you speak.

These people you are talking about have no idea what Bin Laden is worth. There is a million dollar+ bounty on his head. Don't you think someone would have seen him and thought about how many goats they could have bought by now?

Their idea of money is not anywhere near what you and I believe. Not to mention that they are so scared their entire families would be skined alive and tortured for opening their mouth.

Think about it.

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Originally posted by Bill_Fold: Isn't it interesting that Barack Obama called for exactly the same thing while he was running for President? I mean he said this is what we needed to do when he was in the debates, all of them, and even shortly after he became President-Elect? And all the while his opponent(s) claimed he didn't know what he was talking about.

Yet, now here we are 1 month from his inauguration as the new President/CinC, and that is exactly what is happening. How coincidental.

How wonderful that the George Bush's leadership via selection of key people ensured that the Iraq situation would finally allow this. All sorts of people wanted more action in Afghanistan, especially since the scumbags began to get more aggressive there, as the Coalition gained ground in Iraq. Do you think that there was something "special" or prescient about Prez-elect Obama's calling for what others saw and wished to do, provided there would be resources enough, hinged on success in Iraq?

But none of this is instantaneous. Some of the troopers in Iraq have to get mountain training in the US, refit, etc., before heading to Afghanistan.

I am all for the liberation of the people of afganistan, my question is are we capabale of really understanding the mentalay of warlords and tribal mentality. I am not a pessimist of I just want all of our guys as safe as possible and back home. I also want the people of afghanistan to have quality education so they can take care of themselves and know the freedom that we enjoy. sincerely al

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Originally posted by 19853656:
I am all for the liberation of the people of afganistan, my question is are we capabale of really understanding the mentalay of warlords and tribal mentality. I am not a pessimist of I just want all of our guys as safe as possible and back home. I also want the people of afghanistan to have quality education so they can take care of themselves and know the freedom that we enjoy. sincerely al

I think that we do not and can not understand what makes the people of the mid-east tick or how they tick!

I would not be a bit supprised if we were able to assist all the people in the mid east to become democratic and acheive self rule that they would revert back to earlier government forms in a very short time, casting off any sign of democracy!

Afghanistan should be reinforced. Bin Laden has not been found probably because he crossed the border into another country like Pakistan. Our troops need support and it is our duty to ensure that our troops get support in the form of reinforcements, air support, and civilian support. I think Mullen is 100% correct on Afghanistan.

I think that Mullen is 100% correct on Afghanistan. Our troops need to be reinforced and it is our duty to ensure that they get reinforcements, air support and civilian support. Bin laden has not been captured because he has probably crossed the border into another country like Pakistan.

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That so many Americans believe this, and believe that catching bin Laden will have any deliterious effect on the enemy is beyond me. I know it's the party line, but it's not based in reality.

Minds formed by episodes of Family Guy, and Law and Order, and thoughts expressed in the phonetic convenience of text grammar.

We're pretty much whipped as a nation.

We are hurting but don't give up the ship.

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Originally posted by ACR26:

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That so many Americans believe this, and believe that catching bin Laden will have any deliterious effect on the enemy is beyond me. I know it's the party line, but it's not based in reality.

Minds formed by episodes of Family Guy, and Law and Order, and thoughts expressed in the phonetic convenience of text grammar.

We're pretty much whipped as a nation.

We are hurting but don't give up the ship.

You think you're hurting? What about the poor effin' Afghans?

Ain't nobody bombing your socials, killing your kids, or driving you into the winter because they got some 'bad intel'.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - Little Jaysie Beezus in a moment of leisure.

Please help...I'm confused....which party is the war mongers again?