quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:
He was a misguided youth when he killed that soldier.

quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:
He was a misguided youth when he killed that soldier.

quote:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11128331/fol...hood_to_a_gitmo_cell
Posted Aug 10, 2006

His name was Omar Khadr. Born into a fundamentalist Muslim family in Toronto, he had been prepared for jihad since he was a small boy. His parents, who were Egyptian and Palestinian, had raised him to believe that religious martyrdom was the highest achievement he could aspire to. In the Khadr family, suicide bombers were spoken of with great respect. According to U.S intelligence, Omar's father used charities as front groups to raise and launder money for Al Qaeda. Omar's formal military training -- bombmaking, assault-rifle marksmanship, combat tactics -- before he turned twelve. For nearly a year before the Ab Khail siege, according to the U.S. government, Omar and his father and brothers had fought with the Taliban against American and Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan. Before that, they had been living in Jalalabad, with Osama bin Laden. Omar spent much of his adolescence in Al Qaeda compounds.

quote:

Originally posted by oseles:

quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:
He was a misguided youth when he killed that soldier.

Given that the Rolling Stone is not the most unbiased source for information, they still put out some pretty damming information.

quote:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11128331/fol...hood_to_a_gitmo_cell
Posted Aug 10, 2006

His name was Omar Khadr. Born into a fundamentalist Muslim family in Toronto, he had been prepared for jihad since he was a small boy. His parents, who were Egyptian and Palestinian, had raised him to believe that religious martyrdom was the highest achievement he could aspire to. In the Khadr family, suicide bombers were spoken of with great respect. According to U.S intelligence, Omar's father used charities as front groups to raise and launder money for Al Qaeda. Omar's formal military training -- bombmaking, assault-rifle marksmanship, combat tactics -- before he turned twelve. For nearly a year before the Ab Khail siege, according to the U.S. government, Omar and his father and brothers had fought with the Taliban against American and Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan. Before that, they had been living in Jalalabad, with Osama bin Laden. Omar spent much of his adolescence in Al Qaeda compounds.

Many of the liberal bloggers here say we must understand and honor the customs and beliefs of Islam rather than ‘impose’ our beliefs on them. According to Islamic Law and Custom in Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan and Afghanistan a male is considered an Adult at age 15.

Child - No. Religious Fanatic – Yes.
He had been in combat against Americans for a year before he was captured.

Poor innocent little Canadian child - NOT

quote:

Originally posted by Shaneo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/ts_nm/guantanamo_canadian_dc

quote:

Originally posted by ColonelM:
One quick way to solve the Gitmo problem. Exicute them all. Let Our GOD sort them out.
What does Canada Have to do with this anyway?
I think Nothing.

quote:

Originally posted by ColonelM:
One quick way to solve the Gitmo problem. Exicute them all. Let Our GOD sort them out.
What does Canada Have to do with this anyway?
I think Nothing.

quote:

Originally posted by popsiq:
If he did something wrong. Try him, prove it and convict him.

But if you have to turn yourselves into torturers and liars to do that, is it worth it?

You can't very well expect anybody to fight tyranny along side you, if all you're offering is a different brand of the same sh*t.

A democratic, freedom-loving, christian white man shooting bullets dipped in pig blood isn't much different that a jihadi shooting ball bearings dipped in his own. Except that the first one is likely to repeat the exercise, maybe hundreds of times.

If you can't fight, and win, with decency, I'd say you shouldn't be fighting at all.

quote:

Originally posted by joedokes:

quote:

Originally posted by popsiq:
If he did something wrong. Try him, prove it and convict him.

But if you have to turn yourselves into torturers and liars to do that, is it worth it?

You can't very well expect anybody to fight tyranny along side you, if all you're offering is a different brand of the same sh*t.

A democratic, freedom-loving, christian white man shooting bullets dipped in pig blood isn't much different that a jihadi shooting ball bearings dipped in his own. Except that the first one is likely to repeat the exercise, maybe hundreds of times.

If you can't fight, and win, with decency, I'd say you shouldn't be fighting at all.

Tell that to the other side.

quote:

Originally posted by popsiq:
The court ruled against Sadr to-day. That means he's not going to see the evidence against him that is being held by the Canadian government. The Court was swayed by the arguments of national security.

What the court did do, however, is declare the process and proceedings in place at Guantanamo to be illegal. In terms of Canadian law, and in terms of US law as stated in Supreme Court rulings in that regard.

This might tilt public opinion against the Canadian government which continues to render a citizen, charged with serious crimes, no assistance whatsoever.

One minor point to have arisen from this case is the loss of documents upon which the case against Khadr is predicated. What kind of competent authority 'loses' vital documents?

"Defence lawyers actually failed to get what they were looking for in Friday's ruling. Lawyers were hoping for access to a copy of a report detailing a 2002 Afghan gun battle during which Mr. Khadr is alleged to have thrown a grenade that killed a U.S. soldier – the allegation at the heart of the charges against him. The U.S. government gave a copy to the Canadians, but claims to have lost its own copy, meaning the Canadian copy is the only one whose location is known."

No matter, in the Gitmo courts the defendant will never know what hit him.

quote:

Originally posted by Motive25:

quote:

Originally posted by ColonelM:
One quick way to solve the Gitmo problem. Exicute them all. Let Our GOD sort them out.
What does Canada Have to do with this anyway?
I think Nothing.

Learning a lesson from Al Qaeda?

quote:

Originally posted by popsiq:
If he did something wrong. Try him, prove it and convict him.

But if you have to turn yourselves into torturers and liars to do that, is it worth it?

You can't very well expect anybody to fight tyranny along side you, if all you're offering is a different brand of the same sh*t.

A democratic, freedom-loving, christian white man shooting bullets dipped in pig blood isn't much different that a jihadi shooting ball bearings dipped in his own. Except that the first one is likely to repeat the exercise, maybe hundreds of times.

If you can't fight, and win, with decency, I'd say you shouldn't be fighting at all.