Although safety is definatly a big issue, these guys understand, probably better than anyone, what the risks are and are some of the most dedicated, enthusiastic soldiers in the world.

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Originally posted by txnationalguard:
Although safety is definatly a big issue, these guys understand, probably better than anyone, what the risks are and are some of the most dedicated, enthusiastic soldiers in the world.

They are not soldiers they are Sailors

Here's the article

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,164021,00.html

I commend the Navy for taking this action, particularly related to training deaths. The fact is, most training accidents resulting in death are not only tragic, but also preventable. Corrective action taken as a result of investigation and root cause identification can and will decrease the number of Casualty Assistane Team visits that take place early in the morning, on uususpecting family members. Yes I know, military training is often very dangerous business. Better the military invest in lessons learned and corrective action, costly and continuing investigations and unnecessary funerals.... just my opinion.

Marine Corps (includes Green Berets) a Dept. of the US Navy (includes Seals)
and were designated as the first strike force before any other military
components. Included are air, ground and sea forces, not just sailors.

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Originally posted by woodyarn:
They are not soldiers they are Sailors

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1. Did they die from shoot failures?
2. Did they load their own shoots?

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Originally posted by txnationalguard:
Although safety is definatly a big issue, these guys understand, probably better than anyone, what the risks are and are some of the most dedicated, enthusiastic soldiers in the world.

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Originally posted by NAVBLK4:
Marine Corps (includes Green Barets) a Dept. of the US Navy (includes Seals)
and were designated as the first strike force before any other military
components. Included are air, ground and sea forces, not just sailors.

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Originally posted by woodyarn:
They are not soldiers they are Sailors

I think you misunderstood the post. It's what the component's members are called. Army = soldiers. USMC = marines. Navy = sailors. USAF = airmen.

BTW: Green barets are what girls wear in the part of their hair.

I wouldn't say anything about these specop guys. they know their thing. an accident is an accident and what happened is past. wish them luck in preventing any accident like that. Good luck to you all.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NAVBLK4:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shardik:

No I was referring to real life, not literal bureacratic acronyms.

It was ment as a joke, but I understand that your type live life in such a serious, black & white manner.

This could be mis-intepreted by infidels.
What infidels are you talking about,certainly not the people on this site?

This has begun to be funny. But back on subject?

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Originally posted by NAVBLK4:

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Originally posted by Shardik:

No I was referring to real life, not literal bureacratic acronyms.
I think you misunderstood the post. It's what the component's members are called. Army = soldiers. USMC = marines. Navy = sailors. USAF = airmen.

This could be mis-intepreted by fundamentalist.
This could be mis-intepreted by infidels.
This could be mis-intepreted by legitimate spouses.
This could be mis-interpreted by a Green Baret causing battery due
to assault.
BTW: Green barets are what girls wear in the part of their hair.

In real life, the Green Berets are the US Army Special Forces, not the Marines.

Since when, and are the Rangers not the US Army special forces?

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You are kiding right?

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Originally posted by NAVBLK4:
Since when, and are the Rangers not the US Army special forces?

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Originally posted by SATCOM_VET:

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Originally posted by NAVBLK4:

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Originally posted by Shardik:

No I was referring to real life, not literal bureacratic acronyms.
I think you misunderstood the post. It's what the component's members are called. Army = soldiers. USMC = marines. Navy = sailors. USAF = airmen.

This could be mis-intepreted by fundamentalist.
This could be mis-intepreted by infidels.
This could be mis-intepreted by legitimate spouses.
This could be mis-interpreted by a Green Baret causing battery due
to assault.
BTW: Green barets are what girls wear in the part of their hair.

In real life, the Green Berets are the US Army Special Forces, not the Marines.

There must have been some kind of gross negligence for them to do this.

When I was still in the 2nd Ranger Battalion I was SICK and TIRED of going to memorials of guys getting killed or seriously injured in Training accidents.

Parachute Fatalities
Friendly-Fire Fatalities in shoot houses

Training was not stopped though, I think 6 Rangers were killed in training during just my TWO YEARS I was there...

Something serious happen here with the SEAL's

This is interesting trivia and shows the US Army as green Berets.
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The above mentions Fort Bragg (US Army), however I was told Green Berets also trained
in the Sierra Nevada's outside of Bridgeport (Was the coldest town in the state of CA.)
and I don't believe this was a Army training area.

When I was 17 I was told by my US Marine recruiter there was a Marine Green Beret unit.
I also spoke to discharged Marines(assumed honorable) at the El Toro marine base air
show who identified themselves as former Green Berets. Late 70's early 80's.

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Originally posted by Aco275RGR:
There must have been some kind of gross negligence for them to do this.

When I was still in the 2nd Ranger Battalion I was SICK and TIRED of going to memorials of guys getting killed or seriously injured in Training accidents.

Parachute Fatalities
Friendly-Fire Fatalities in shoot houses

Training was not stopped though, I think 6 Rangers were killed in training during just my TWO YEARS I was there...

Something serious happen here with the SEAL's

Thats a very real possibility. I don't know how other services do it however in the Navy when you have a string of accidents it's not all that
unusaul for these safety stand downs. It's just a way to say, Ok something's wrong, lets step back take a deep breath look at the problem, shake the cobwebs out then carry on. Sometimes it's just a unit thing and sometimes it's navy wide. But I agree for the Seals to do it could be bad.

You want to know what I think? OK, I'll tell you.
Rule # 1. Don't be a cowboy.
Rule # 2. Be safe. Stay Alert.
Rule # 3. How you train is how you fight.
Rule # 4. If you go in, make sure you can come back.
Rule # 5. Never leave home with out your American Express card, Rolex watch, and gold Baht Chain.
Rule # 6. Have the proper tools for the proper job.

I have a few more rules but you all get the picture I hope.

All branches of Special Forces have their 10% bad apples and IMO they all have their 10% of those who complete the training course and once assigned to their units turn to Cowboys. They seem to think they have a better way all the time. Lucky for us that their is always the old timer on board that puts them in their place.

I'm sure they will take care of the problem whatever that might be, the two Military Freefall accidents were pretty unusual because they happen at the same place just days apart to very experienced operators.

BTW: There is no such thing as Marine Green Berets. They had Force Recon which is now Marine Special Operations Battalions....The British Royal Marines however do wear Green Berets

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Originally posted by NAVBLK4:
1. Did they die from shoot failures?
2. Did they load their own shoots?

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Originally posted by txnationalguard:
Although safety is definatly a big issue, these guys understand, probably better than anyone, what the risks are and are some of the most dedicated, enthusiastic soldiers in the world.

Did you mean chutes instead of shoots? Also, chutes are not loaded, they are packed.

This comes as no surprise to me. The best training in the world is only achieved by being as realistic and as close to paralleling the actual mission conditions as possible. SEALs are broken down and rebuilt with the never quit ethos. This is constantly solidified through each evolution and operation. They train as they fight, and they fight as they train. It's a grave loss for anyone in the armed forces when another brother or sister in arms falls. This is certainly never understated when a member of the sof community falls. It was good to stand down for a day.