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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,162878,00.html
I like the idea, not the cost but the idea. The Iraqi army will be a true symbol of American ideals when carrying our superior rifle.  |
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not only that, but the M16 is a much better rifle than the AK-47. With the M16, the Iraqis will take back their country in no time.
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"the Iraqis will take back their country", from who? |
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Who is making money out of this little deal then, the same people who brokered the deal for AKs for Iraq a few years ago?
Are Iraqi forces actually up to a good enough standard with regards weapon cleaning to keep M16s working in the desert? |
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I personally do not like the idea as a whole and this is from personal experience itself. Pros: Yes they are planning on using biometrics and assigning weapons to each individual. Ammunition will be harder to come by as far as terrorists are concerned and yes the accuracy is much better in comparison with the AK-47. Cons: No matter how you look at it, terrorists will be supplied even if it's a small amount. If there is a conflict and americans are shot, wounded and or killed by a seized M-4/M-16, what kind of investication will ensue to determine if it is fratricide or not. We aren't supplying the Iraqi army to oppose an incoming enemy like the Afghanistan/Russian invasion, we are supplying the Iraqi army to battle "internal" conflict with a large percentage of their own "trusted" commrades being the enemy themselves. Too many times I've seen Iraq Police get supplied with weapons and ammunition and turn around and quit the forces, sell the weapon or just join in order to get one more weapon on their side. How many of these Iraqi Army personnel are possibly just going to join within the next year after the employment of the M-16/M-4s with the sole intention of getting the weapon, as much ammunition as possible and leaving because they were Al-Qaeda already. They already attempt to infiltrate as workers on military bases and that's unarmed. Of course the Iraqis are going to say the weapon, is "more accurate". Of course they will say it's "More efficient". Of course they will say it's "A superior weapon all around". Would you if you saw "a superior force" carrying around a weapon that looks different from yours? Have you seen the condition of half the AK-47's we've issued to the Iraqi's brand new, a year later? What's to happen when something breaks? How many "Extra Parts" are we going to give them? Personally, I have too many questions that are probably already answered just not in this specific article. And, the MONEY. I hope that the Iraqi's are recieving already used M-16/M-4's because WE need to outfit OUR military with BRAND NEW weapons first. If I were to start seeing brand spankin new rifles in Iraqi hands and I'm running around with a 20 year old weapon, I'd be a little pissed off. OK, I'm off my soap box now :P
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Well, if they wanna live they will learn fast, real simple. The Iraqi unit I was with took pretty good care of their AK's so I'm sure as a whole it will not be that much of a problem. All it is, is discipline and basic soldiering to maintain a weapon. |
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You hit the nail on the head. This seems like a dumbass idea. From my understanding We are selling them NEW weapons. I don't and won't get a new weapon. I get one that some fuzzypatch private used in BCT 10 years ago. We all get hand me down equipment to save a couple bucks, and the people that we are not sure we trust are being handed better gear, and weapons. Does this seem stupid to anyone else? I don't like this at all. It makes me tense. We are basicly handing the enemy more accurate, more durable weaponry. The same we use. Why? |
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You want the truth? Probably from us. They will kick us out by using our own weapons against us. Anybody ever seen "Lord Of War" first rule of gun running. NEVER get shot with your own merchandise. |
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It’s ridiculous…. Country is in ruins, and they are spending money on this s****!
 Still the same thing, funds stolen, embezzled, wasted....difference is now they are called a “democracy”.  "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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WTH! While this is going to make it easier to identify friend and foe alike in Iraq. It is not going to make the Iraqi Army better or more effective. It has a real chance to do the opposite.
I know I am not the only one who is trying to get the US military to dump the antiquated and underpowered M-16. I own one. I use it to punch holes in paper and varmints and that is all it is good for. The battle rifle of the US military should actually be capable of reliably killing a human being. So we are going to foist this 40+ year old boondoggle on the Iraqis? Great, just freaking great. The dead wives of Iraqi soldiers will be just thrilled. |
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Great Quote. Many don't realize it applies to us too. |
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I dont like the idea- as mentioned before- in Basic we were issued old azz rifles- mine had a serial of unter 10k...it was a old A1 that was a pile of schiznit. Now we give them new weapons...christ.(or Muhmmad...)
one more reason 223 ammo will be going up over here!! dammmmit! |
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The AK-47 is a far more reliable weapon than the mattel-16. One dust storm and they will have a bunch of overpriced alloy and plastic clubs. Just the other night on Military channel they had a story/report/evaluation of the AK-47. It is user friendly and will keep going long after the mattel-16 is clogged and bogged.
 I think I'm smelling a "back-room- deal"...Is that a cash register saying .."kaa-ching"? |
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They are getting screwed..
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The U.S. military is looking into updating it's current Battle Rifle. Look into the H&K MX8. Your future battle buddy. |
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M-16's to the Iraqis! Yeah!
Ok, sounds like a a gun deal going down, but what of the replaced AK's? Do they get destroyed or put into a unguarded warehouse somewhere in the desert? Destroy them, make them unoperatable what ever, just so there isn't a flood of "Newly released weapons" into the world. There's enough AKs floating around already. Have a Tuff azz Army or Marine Unit responsable for the destruction of the weapons..not some contractor, that just might lose one or two or a couple thousands to the grinder, just to make a side buck. Somebody better be planning that part of the deal...somebody smart, somebody like AL Gore our National smart man! He created Global Warming ya know?  |
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One has to wonder what other great ideas they have planned for the Iraqi's?
Someone stated.....ka ching? You got it, Colt is gonna make millions, maybe billions. What the hell, Iraq needs more weapons floating around, they haven't got enough already. S/F Gordon |
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I'd prefer M16s fall in insurgent hands than AKs for the simple fact that it is much easier to get AK ammo.
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At least we finally have someone to dump them on as we move to something actually reliable like the HK...
Good riddance to one of the last vestiges of pork barrell politics giving us the non-compete weapon manufactured by the lowest bidder... |
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Whoever brokered the deal is gonna make millions also!!! As far as durability goes, who in the hell thinks M-16s are superior to AKs????!!!!!
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