Small employers are exempt from the hiring requirements because they simply do not have the resources to rehire someone who has since been replaced. To force them to rehire would mean that they have to pay two employees to do the work of one. Larger employers however are required to rehire. I "think" the threshold is 15 employees. Perhaps someone who is more current could correct me if I am wrong. To hire a vet is simply good business and smart. I think most employers who have military background are sympathetic to veterans problems.

I do hope that it will get better as for finding work upon returning.School is one important thing!But lets all hope there will be work!

Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

The U.S. economy is in bad shape; and has been for years. Gross macroeconomic statistics have concealed this; and as long as U.S.-based global corporations have expanded operations outside the United States, this has not shown up in the stock market. In order to conceal the shift from full-time to part-time/contingency employment, the Bureau of Labor Statistics changed the way they accounted for employment in this country, making it easier for the government to assume low unemployment rates.

Veterans have been outside the job market for a period of time. This means that they have not had the opportunity to develop personal relationships with people, who would become their peers and superiors in any civilian organization. They have acquired behavioral traits -due to their military experiences- which make them uncomfortable with the complacent and submissive attitudes that management expects of their employees.

Employers often take advantage of the "can do" military attitude to place military veterans in more competitive and stressful situations (in sales or in remote operations) which do not make assimulation any easier. Consequently, veterans are easier to "let go" in times of contraction, usually for performance reasons.

These conditions will not stop getting worse and cannot get any better until our government adapts a "made in America" policy. There is no other way to expand our economy and to increase the demand for the kind of worker who can actually "do" things.

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Originally posted by AFRet91:
Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

Actually, the FEELings reflected being hurt are your own.

MOST Businesses are Anti Military? Maybe you have a LITTLE more proof than "did I hurt ur liberal feelings"? but I think not

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Originally posted by AFRet91:
Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

Total nonsense, without any statistical or even anecdotal evidence to back it up.

BTW, I just heard on the news yesterday that the Army is going start offering up to $40K bonuses that can be used by veterans to start a small business. I'm sure a lot of average Americans would love to have that benny.

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Originally posted by AFRet91:
Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

Actually, the FEELings reflected being hurt are your own.

MOST Businesses are Anti Military? Maybe you have a LITTLE more proof than "did I hurt ur liberal feelings"? but I think not

Congratulation boys, you’re both right and you’re both wrong. In most businesses I deal with to find jobs for OEF/OIF veterans, there is not an anti-military sentiment as such. It’s not that businesses don’t like the military, they don’t like deployments. Large corporations can absorb the loss of an employee for 18 months, small companies (especially in small communities) get hit very hard by the loss of several employees to the same deployment. Don’t get me wrong, my loyalty is to the service members, not the companies. I have a real problem with companies that skirt the law (USERRA) by knowing enough not to say the wrong thing publicly. The sad truth is that USAERRA is a little like age discrimination, if they don’t tell you why they didn’t hire you, they didn’t violate the law. This is exactly the reason I disagree with the posters on this site when they argue that there is no difference between NG/Reserve Component and the Active Component. After deployment, Active Component service members still have jobs. After deployment as many as 47% of returning Reserve Component service members don’t.

2 ways to go about this. first the economy is prob'ly in the opening rounds of a 2 year recession. use this time and all available gov't funds tp go to college or votech and prepare for the careers that will be hot in a couple of years. Employers need to take into account military service vs. sat in front of a nintendo smoking weed for the last 4 years when making their hiring decisions. I'm very proud of my company for doing just that, as well as employing many NG personel in spite of the frequent deployments.

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2 ways to go about this. first the economy is prob'ly in the opening rounds of a 2 year recession. use this time and all available gov't funds tp go to college or votech and prepare for the careers that will be hot in a couple of years. Employers need to take into account military service vs. sat in front of a nintendo smoking weed for the last 4 years when making their hiring decisions. I'm very proud of my company for doing just that, as well as employing many NG personel in spite of the frequent deployments.

Good to hear, and good advise. Unfortunately Guardsmen and Reservists with young families don't necessarily have the option of full-time school. The votech however is an excellent suggestion for folks who need to establish/re-establish their income rapidly. We work with the State Apprenticeships and they are hungry for Guardsmen and Reservists. The wages are good and the benefits are especially important to service members with young families.

I'm glad to know there are folks like you looking out for them! The good thing also about votech and community colleges with alot of 'odd hour' classes is they are frequented by older professional people and not MTVers. As a returning vet I felt more comfortable with the mature settled crowd than I did with people my own age who had no world experience other than "The Real World"( ).

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Originally posted by MarkAntney:

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Originally posted by AFRet91:
Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

Actually, the FEELings reflected being hurt are your own.

MOST Businesses are Anti Military? Maybe you have a LITTLE more proof than "did I hurt ur liberal feelings"? but I think not

Congratulation boys, you’re both right and you’re both wrong. In most businesses I deal with to find jobs for OEF/OIF veterans, there is not an anti-military sentiment as such. It’s not that businesses don’t like the military, they don’t like deployments. Large corporations can absorb the loss of an employee for 18 months, small companies (especially in small communities) get hit very hard by the loss of several employees to the same deployment. Don’t get me wrong, my loyalty is to the service members, not the companies. I have a real problem with companies that skirt the law (USERRA) by knowing enough not to say the wrong thing publicly. The sad truth is that USAERRA is a little like age discrimination, if they don’t tell you why they didn’t hire you, they didn’t violate the law. This is exactly the reason I disagree with the posters on this site when they argue that there is no difference between NG/Reserve Component and the Active Component. After deployment, Active Component service members still have jobs. After deployment as many as 47% of returning Reserve Component service members don’t.

But that's NOT necessarily "AntiMilitary", that's more of a business decision than anything else.

This isn't the 60s-70s, when the disenchantment (by a LOT) was with both the Civilian and Military. Troops get applause when they go through Airports, people HONK their horns at Convoys, 1/2time shows have a military emphasis, FOLKS THAT DON'T even support the decisions of our Civilian Leaders go out of their way to praise the military..

There's outreach programs for wounded troops.

I grant you that retention, businesses having issues with manning shortages and even some folks that don't like our "Unilateral" Methodologies of late, and some folks not letting their kids join...

But I can't find folks or businesses that actually "Hate" or "against" the military, which is how I (read) "Anti".

If nothing else, there's downright sympathy for how they're (military) being managed and used as SHIELDs by politicians.

However, with the numbers of folks with "Military" experience dropping like a stone in DC and no prospect of filling future requirements with a "SHARED" sacrifice, I can see an AntiMilitary sentiment in a Generation or two perhaps?

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I'm glad to know there are folks like you looking out for them! The good thing also about votech and community colleges with alot of 'odd hour' classes is they are frequented by older professional people and not MTVers. As a returning vet I felt more comfortable with the mature settled crowd than I did with people my own age who had no world experience other than "The Real World"( ).

OK, here is the really good news. All states have employment departments with Local Employment Veteran Representatives (LVERs) and Disabled Veteran Outreach Program reps (DVOPs). Most of us are aware that they are mandated by the Dept of Labor (VETS) to serve returning veterans. What most people don’t know (like it’s a state secret) is that the WorkSource folks in your state have a federal mandate to serve returning veterans. In my state, for the most part, they work in cooperation to provide services to the veteran, but unless someone acts as military liaison with them, they are kind of lost. Also, WorkSource is directly plugged in to the community college system. So with proper coordination, a veteran can get short-term income issues addressed by the LVERs and DVOPs, while the WorkSource folks can work on long-term career solutions. It’s just a matter of coordination.

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Originally posted by AFRet91:
Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

Actually, the FEELings reflected being hurt are your own.

MOST Businesses are Anti Military? Maybe you have a LITTLE more proof than "did I hurt ur liberal feelings"? but I think not

Proof - Here are a couple for you (yes they are real it happened to me). Two business I applied to when I first retired the end of 95:

1 - Was willing to hire me however, quoted a salary less than what others were provided and when I asked why the employer said I didn't need us much since I had a military retirement. Descrimination??

2 - Applied to one company (Healthcare Clinic), the interviewer was a retired senior officer. Stated would like to hire me but his civilian partners did not like having managers who were veterans or Male.

Please do not tell me that American companies are not discrmanatory towards veterans.

This isn't the recession of the early to mid 1970's.
The cooperation between the DoD and the Department of Labor at the STATE and local level is CRUCIAL to empower these discharged vets with enough contacts and programs
to get them the opportunities they need to be more than just another unemployed statistic.
Voc-Rehab & OJT programs are in place, its the ability of the individual vet to KNOW how to implement them on a local level that usually causes the problem. If there isn't an 800 toll free number they can call or a website with ALL the programs for employment/training and education on it, then it should be made a priority.

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Originally posted by godawgz:
I'm glad to know there are folks like you looking out for them! The good thing also about votech and community colleges with alot of 'odd hour' classes is they are frequented by older professional people and not MTVers. As a returning vet I felt more comfortable with the mature settled crowd than I did with people my own age who had no world experience other than "The Real World"( ).

OK, here is the really good news. All states have employment departments with Local Employment Veteran Representatives (LVERs) and Disabled Veteran Outreach Program reps (DVOPs). Most of us are aware that they are mandated by the Dept of Labor (VETS) to serve returning veterans. What most people don’t know (like it’s a state secret) is that the WorkSource folks in your state have a federal mandate to serve returning veterans. In my state, for the most part, they work in cooperation to provide services to the veteran, but unless someone acts as military liaison with them, they are kind of lost. Also, WorkSource is directly plugged in to the community college system. So with proper coordination, a veteran can get short-term income issues addressed by the LVERs and DVOPs, while the WorkSource folks can work on long-term career solutions. It’s just a matter of coordination.

Thanks for the info.. I hope those who visit this site that can use it read and heed! Locally I'll pass it along as I can..

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Originally posted by MarkAntney:

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Originally posted by AFRet91:
Try this... Most american business in this country ARE anti military. They are jumping thru their arses to get govt grants and monies. The only way to do that is to fill the company with low wage illegal immigrants and affirmative action hires. The veteran is a burden and a health risk to any company ((although they will deny it to the last dying breath)) Amerika dont give a chit, just pass the govt buck on down to them. Thats the way it really is. Awwww, did I hurt ur liberal feelings? tsk tsk tsk.

Actually, the FEELings reflected being hurt are your own.

MOST Businesses are Anti Military? Maybe you have a LITTLE more proof than "did I hurt ur liberal feelings"? but I think not

Proof - Here are a couple for you (yes they are real it happened to me). Two business I applied to when I first retired the end of 95:

1 - Was willing to hire me however, quoted a salary less than what others were provided and when I asked why the employer said I didn't need us much since I had a military retirement. Descrimination??

2 - Applied to one company (Healthcare Clinic), the interviewer was a retired senior officer. Stated would like to hire me but his civilian partners did not like having managers who were veterans or Male.

Please do not tell me that American companies are not discrmanatory towards veterans.

Ahhh, I too had my share when I first got out in the early 90s but I also got jobs because I had an honorable discharge... but HE SAID and you seem to believe that there's a "HATE" for the military. What you and I experienced were "boneheaded" business decisions, individually. Most companies WON'T OFFER you the highest salary and though they're not supposed to, my friends have experienced the "you make... from retirement" during the hiring process, that's business and WE have to tell them, what I make NOT working here is irrelavent.

Politically we're divided, culturally we'll forever be divided but this country (IN ANY significant #s) isn't "Anti" Military.

H3LL, Gays have a (*&()*0n (pun intended) to signup.

And those idiotic Religious Groups that are protesting funerals are fricken LONELY.

Businesses, I'm certain don't like the deployments and folks missing and may even try to get around policies for financial reasons (and others) but saying MOST businesses in this country are "Anti", I disagree.

VA study, as quoted in the article: "The federal government may need to reevaluate how it serves the needs of returning service members."

gee, YA THINK?

And how long will the re-evaluation take? If they follow the usual glacial rate of response that we often see from the VA, they might actually figure out what needs to be done the better "serve the needs of returning service members" a year or two after the vast majority of them are already home.

The more things change, the more they stay the same - My son went to Afghanistan in 2003, and suffered 2 years of partial or complete unemployment. No help from the VA or anyone else - he was basicaaly on his own.

Then he finally got a decent job, and started to stabilize his financial situation, found a decet house to rent, got married, etc, was discharged from the PA National Guard on a medical issue. Then, last year he was recalled into the Army Reserve, and now he's in Iraq.

I only can hope that he will not have the same two year problem when he gets home this time!

But, you never know.

The Center for Individual Rights within the last several years instigated a law suit against the Federal government alleging massive reverse discrimination against caucasian males in the Federal government. Although they presented clear and convincing evidence that that was the case, they lost the case.The same implies not only that "veterans preference" laws are not enforced but that veterans are actively discriminated in employment against on a massive scale.
This certainly has been the case since during and after the War in Vietnam.
Aristotle stated in his book, "Politics", that a democracy was one of the worst forms of government, if it did not have adequate "republican" (equal rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens) guarrantees as the same represented a "tyranny of the majority."
He, also, warned that if a nation gave more rights to those who did not and/or would not serve in the military than to those who did, it would probably result in the socio-political-cultural-military-economic collapse of a nation.
The same appears to be happening now in the USA.

I, to have had problems getting a job since returning from the Persian Gulf War and retiring from the military.The Veterans Administration claims to be the biggest employer of veterans,but won't hire me due to my PTSD.I have been getting notifications that I am qualified for the job,but never hear from them.I have been doing the same type of work for 15 years in law enforcement,any explanations?

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I, to have had problems getting a job since returning from the Persian Gulf War and retiring from the military.The Veterans Administration claims to be the biggest employer of veterans,but won't hire me due to my PTSD.I have been getting notifications that I am qualified for the job,but never hear from them.I have been doing the same type of work for 15 years in law enforcement,any explanations?

Come on now. Tell us the rest of the story.