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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,161601,00.html

Another case of a contractor short-changing the military, putting peoples lives in danger. I think the military should have military inspectors like they have parachute riggers, people who are in the military that monitor and check every chute. These people pack the chutes they would jump with, giving the troops the assurance that their lives are in trustworthy hands.
 
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this is not the first time an indian factory has screwed the government consumer. What do they care, they are a sovereign entity and are as hard to sue as the US goverment. There is an old adage in Oklahoma (which has lot of indian tribes and businesses) "You do business with indians at your own peril and risk", meaning that when you want to sue an indian tribe you have to do it in their Indian courts system. Guess who usually wins. Go ahead ..... guess.
Seen it too many times.
 
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As the mother of a son who was KIA (I am told) by a bullet to his head, can you explain to me how I am to determine the adequacey of his helmet in relation to his death when the Army refused to return his helmet and other gear he was wearing at the time? Stateside that would be called withholding evidence. It was destroyed and I was not even consulted.
 
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If a tree falls in a forest and lands on a politician, even if you can't hear the tree or the screams, I'll bet you'd at least hear the applause.
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A bigger question in that is; What happened to quality control?

Putting one over on the government in producing shoddy products has long been a problem and a tradition of industry. However, that is what quality control if for. Surely there must be an audit trail on that. Follow it and ensure that that chain is no longer employed.
 
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If the contract stated 35 x 35 and the machines were set alwas at 34 x 34 then that was intentional fraud. More than likely somebody in procrments pockets have been lined
 
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NO NEED FOR ANY HELMETS.

1) Immediately pull all our troops and support personnel out of Iraq.

2) Have our flyers drop leaflets printed in as many languages as necessary, stating they have 72 hours to clear out of Iraq.

3) Send in electronic jammers, and sh*tloads of high flying B52s and Stealth bombers, leveling everything on and below Iraq.

4) Send in the Seebees to clear the rubbish and pave the entire country.

Use a new and improved helmet elsewhere.
 
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Why has another contract been let to a company whose own records show that they didn't live up to the original contract? Why has it taken whistle blowers to get federal inspectors involve, all be it, after the fact? Who cares who owns the company. They did not complete the first contract requirements. They don't deserve the second contract. How many layers of cloth go into a Kev. At 5% loss a layer, that adds up quickly. Sounds like murder with intent to me.
 
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It boggles the mind doesn't it? They put our warriors at risk and no one is prosecuted! Not only that, they receive a lousy $2 million dollar fine and are still allowed to continue producing the helmets and they also receive a new contract to boot!

In WW 2, Harry Truman would have had those responsible prosecuted and had new ownership installed at the factory. It appears today, and all too often, incompetancy is rewarded while responsibility has become an orphan. One has to wonder how many more of our trusted manufacturers are screwing our men and women in the military and don't give a rat's azz about their safety and security?

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Why has another contract been let to a company whose own records show that they didn't live up to the original contract? Why has it taken whistle blowers to get federal inspectors involve, all be it, after the fact? Who cares who owns the company. They did not complete the first contract requirements. They don't deserve the second contract. How many layers of cloth go into a Kev. At 5% loss a layer, that adds up quickly. Sounds like murder with intent to me.
 
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Since riggers are required to jump their own chutes at random. perhaps ALL contractors should have to deploy with the equipment they sell, starting with the executives and the board and working their way down to the department heads and QA people.


yeah right
 
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PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN said:
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or Hanged!!!
 
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PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN said:
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or Hanged!!!


Perhaps the now deceased President (RIP) may have also said at one time...

"Congressional oversight is vital when SO many Contractors are seemingly and continuosly COMING up short in direct support of our military personnel"?

Finding inane quotes (unrelated to the issue at hand) from brilliant politicians of yesteryear, only reeks of deflection.
 
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Not enough! A REAL message needs to be sent to all Military and potential Military suppliers,that if they short change our men and women out on the line, their going to HURT and this should start at the TOP, let the CEO's know they need to do their jobs or it comes out of their pay !
 
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And so we reward them by giving them a $74 million dollar contract! Everybody involved in this fiasco on the DOD/Government side needs to be placed in a helmet and then shot. If the helmet works they live, if the helmet fails, lesson learned.

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Out of their pay! They should be prosecuted and jailed if found guilty of endangering the lives of our men and women.

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Not enough! A REAL message needs to be sent to all Military and potential Military suppliers,that if they short change our men and women out on the line, their going to HURT and this should start at the TOP, let the CEO's know they need to do their jobs or it comes out of their pay !
 
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I AGREE WITH SGT/MAJ. HATCHER. WHAT DOES IT BEING INDIAN RUN HAVE TO DO WITH COMPITENCE? IF THEY INTENTIONALY SCREWED UP, PULL THE CONTRACT. IF IT WAS AN EMPLOYEE DOING IT ON HIS OWN, SEND HIM TO IRAC WITH THE SAME 782 GEAR HE/SHE MADE
SEMPER FI
 
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interesting how a million dollar contract was aprroved prior to the finding.the goverment could have easily withheld the pending contract as leverage on their lawsuit. follow the trail and find out where the graft or the political clout is coming from.how about a class action lawsuit on behalf of servicemembers who died from head shots
 
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Bastards. They should not have been rewarded with another contract. Idiots. We might as well be poring money into some wothless place like Berekly California. As a reward for their trechery.
 
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USA grunts loose again. Another example of how disposable USA Warriors are when it comes to MONEY>
SEMPER FI AND GOD BLESS AMERICA
 
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Originally posted by ChucHalsted::

It boggles the mind doesn't it? They put our warriors at risk and no one is prosecuted! Not only that, they receive a lousy $2 million dollar fine and are still allowed to continue producing the helmets and they also receive a new contract to boot!

In WW 2, Harry Truman would have had those responsible prosecuted and had new ownership installed at the factory. It appears today, and all too often, incompetancy is rewarded while responsibility has become an orphan. One has to wonder how many more of our trusted manufacturers are screwing our men and women in the military and don't give a rat's azz about their safety and security?

S/F Gordon
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Why has another contract been let to a company whose own records show that they didn't live up to the original contract? Why has it taken whistle blowers to get federal inspectors involve, all be it, after the fact? Who cares who owns the company. They did not complete the first contract requirements. They don't deserve the second contract. How many layers of cloth go into a Kev. At 5% loss a layer, that adds up quickly. Sounds like murder with intent to me.


As if this isn't bad enough - this company also received a brand new contract to build MRAPS!

Whoever in the Pentagon that gave out these contracts should have to wear one of the defective helmets, and be forced to drive back and forth on the Baghdad to Airport Road until they hit an IED or a sniper takes their head off.
 
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What we have been witnessing and continue to witness is exactly what Dwight Eisenhower warned us of in his farwell speech...the military/industrial complex going haywire. He was certainly not against a strong military but realized, those who provide civilian services to our military could, and now do dominate the agenda and are more powerful than our own government. People have been placed in government positions that have direct ties to these suppliers and they will protect their domain against any intrusions, oversight and responsibility. This recent evidence, discovery and confirmation in the story only proves it is standard operating procedure now and people can screw up and not have to worry about any repercusions.

I have written to my Congressional delgation and have asked why the events in this story has not led to hearings on all military contracts? If we want accountability, it is apparent citiznes will have to demand it as our politicians haven't of their own volition asked for it.

Eisenhower easily deduced from his own experiences this type of situation would arise. Now that it has arrived, it is breaking our country as he deduced and predicted it would. Americans have become passive animals for the most part and unless we wake up, the situation will only worsen. It's simple Economics 101...guns or butter.

S/F Gordon
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Originally posted by ChucHalsted::

It boggles the mind doesn't it? They put our warriors at risk and no one is prosecuted! Not only that, they receive a lousy $2 million dollar fine and are still allowed to continue producing the helmets and they also receive a new contract to boot!

In WW 2, Harry Truman would have had those responsible prosecuted and had new ownership installed at the factory. It appears today, and all too often, incompetancy is rewarded while responsibility has become an orphan. One has to wonder how many more of our trusted manufacturers are screwing our men and women in the military and don't give a rat's azz about their safety and security?

S/F Gordon
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Why has another contract been let to a company whose own records show that they didn't live up to the original contract? Why has it taken whistle blowers to get federal inspectors involve, all be it, after the fact? Who cares who owns the company. They did not complete the first contract requirements. They don't deserve the second contract. How many layers of cloth go into a Kev. At 5% loss a layer, that adds up quickly. Sounds like murder with intent to me.


As if this isn't bad enough - this company also received a brand new contract to build MRAPS!

Whoever in the Pentagon that gave out these contracts should have to wear one of the defective helmets, and be forced to drive back and forth on the Baghdad to Airport Road until they hit an IED or a sniper takes their head off.
 
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