If a tree falls in a forest and lands on a politician, even if you can't hear the tree or the screams, I'll bet you'd at least hear the applause. Paul Tindale
Possible fraudulent bios? Perhaps, me thinkith, I smell smoke. Now, where are the mirrors? Perhaps this GWOT has produced a new breed of “saviors” and a profitable enterprise consisting of expats from the Middle East who just conveniently have information that is valuable to us. Gee, doesn’t this seem a bit like dega vu all over again?
Perhaps the AF wants the academy graduates to be exposed to all sorts of adventurous learning.
In our search for peace; I "refuse" to "let my shorts get tied up in knots" because some of our potential leaders have the availability to listen & learn from a former terrorist's mindset!
"A news release said the academy invited them "so that the cadets can better understand the Islamic mind set in our war on terror.
Underestimating our enemies; is just as dangerous as overestimating them!
We seem to hold many myths about the average terrorist! For Example, what 20-year old AFA student has a working knowledge of some of the myths!
Here are some myths as stipulated by the National Counterterrorism Center:
Radicalization: Myth and Reality
MYTH: Poverty is the primary breeding ground for terrorists. REALITY: Many terrorists come from middle-class backgrounds and have university-level educations, particularly in the technical sciences and engineering. No statistical relationship exists between poverty and becoming a terrorist.
MYTH: US foreign policy is the primary cause of radicalization. REALITY: The grievances that fuel radicalization are diverse and vary across locations and groups. Radicalization frequently is driven by personal concerns at the local level in addition to frustration with international events.
MYTH: There are visible “signs” of radicalization. REALITY: Changes in appearance during different stages of radicalization often are the same changes seen in individuals who are not being radicalized, making it difficult to identify visible markers.
I don't think you can have a more qualfying instructor than; someone who has BTDT and is now a professed member of the Anti-Terrorism Advocates!
It's obvious this article has more to do with being "offended" by Cristianity than learning from former terrorists and what drives them. It's up to each person to know what the Koran says and what the Bible says and then come to their own conclusions. It's ok to bash Cristians but don't you dare say anything negative about the Koran or Muslims! How backwards and intolerant of Cristians this society is becoming. "Know the truth and the truth shall make you free"!
I've seen videos of Walid Shoebat speaking on youtube and he is not fabricating anything. He almoust killed an Israeli soldier but realized that what he was about to do was nothing but terrorism, that was when he turned against militant Islam.
My son is a graduate of USAFA (Class of 2004)and they are not about to permantly damaged by the rantings of some religious nut from either side. Anyone that has ever had the honor of being there and meeting some of these wonderful young people should know that you are indeed dealing with some of the sharpest knives in the drawer. For the most part, apart from some of the Jock types, there are few that might not have belonged there. (That will probably get me in trouble with some of them!) Yes, they make some mistakes and have been called "Cadidiots" on occasiion but being subjected this kind of PC worry is much ado about nothing.
As far and the cerdentials of these speakers, that is up to the leadership of the Academy to investigate. If they are false and they don't discover it, it will egg on their faces and they know it. No doubt there have been errors, as there have at other places and schools by such people. However, this incredible school weathered the abismal appointments of the Clinton Administration and survived. It will do just fine with this too.
I'm a Viet Nam vet (Army,1st ID, 68-69)and I know that the leaders being trained there are what we will need in the future to conduct our furute conflicts. I wish we'd had the types of leaders in 'Nam that they are producing now. In stead we got McNamara and his wizz kids under good old Land Slide Lyndon. What a mess. These young people are sharp and won't be hurt by being exposed to a bit of this type of thing.
GJ, I got from the article that they converted to Christianity not because of possible prosecution, but from "seeing the light".
What was interesting is the one claim against them is they are Christians that want to bring about the destruction of Islam. Is it me or did they just scoot over to the other side of the spectrum?
Originally posted by 6111651: How the hell did the fundamentalist Christian whack jobs get control of our Air Force Academy? I thought they'd finally rooted these bozos out...
They have control if you believe everything the press prints to be true & unbiased reporting.
OH boy, another bash the religous person thread. Maybe the persons who are speaking are going into detail about there lives and how Islam or whatever had made them do what ever they did. If they are stating that a conversion to Christianity is what made them see the light, why the heck are people offended? They are going to offer a look into the lives and minds of what these cadets one day may face and through this they will have a better understanding about all that goes into creating a terrorist. If the guys then tell how they came about change , good for them! Get over it! It would be no different if it were an Islamic nutcase who decided one day to become an atheist and run around the world telling people how he was a terrorist and now that he beleives in nothing he has renounced the lifestyle.
Now if the guys are speaking and creating some kind of "church service" that is a different story. I am pretty shure they have been looked at pretty hard and I would even go out on a limb to say the leadership may have seen previous speaches by these guys and found that it will be an asset to the cadets. People really need to get over the whole Christian thing and go about life. If these guys are preaching "kill the muslim because they are not Christians" then they should be marked as terrorist to this day because there would be no difference. People who critisize religon need to also remeber that atheist are not the humble freethinkers you may think or claim to be. I can personally provide 3 links to athiest organizations whos mission statment is to rid the world of all Christians through whatever means possible and that mean you are no different than a islamic terrorist yourself if you want to compair sides. Point is all groups of people have nutcases but beleive it or not those nutcases are even samller than the 6% of alleged athiests that claim to be in the world...........Life goes on and trust me, Darwin is the last thing on anyones mind when rounds are flying your way.
i think its a good idea to let them speak at the academy. students there are smart people, hearing from these wackos could be a good chance to see why they became wackoos or why other people in "bozoland" would accept their ideas/fundamentals to become future wackoos.
I have heard one of those guys speak at a church. He told us nothing that Gov Intel hasn't already told us about them. Other than the fact that he had changed religions.
now what is wrong with this picture. sense when do's any academy . let alone a military school for young officers schedule speakers especially terrorist or supposedly former terrorist.to speak.with out goverment sanction.I do believe the people of the united states should be made aware of situations like this.its bad enough to have former terrorist living here. but then again we are like good old grand mother. open the door for every body.trust everyone. I guess its like ole barnum. of barnum and bailey said.( you can fool some of the people all the time, and you fool all the people some the time , but you can't fool all the people all the time) sounds to me like a con job .slight of hand. bring on the rubbs. next time we'll try it on the generals. hot dam.
I think its a good idea as long as people keep in mind the manipulative aspects of the criminal mind set. A lot of people have it difficult but do not resort to preying on others to resolve thier problems. To me criminals think they are special to the point thier selfishness takes away from those around them. People who try to respect others are always the ones that suffer or are forced to bear the burden of the selfish. Criminals often see an opertunity to exploit sheep by posing as a sheep. They will act like a sheep as long as they get what they want. If they don't, the old nature will return. The maturing of a criminal via deception.
Showing love to an enemy is scriptural because you can learn why the condition exists. Be careful not to get caught in a blizzard of bull though. The common reasons are selfishness and prejudgement.
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