RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159857,00.html

It is only my opinion but.
The best way to stop the killing was to stop the killers.
Bombing the rail lines would only have stopped the trains for a short period of time (till the track was repaired) Probably overnight at best.
The Germans were killing these people not the US.
Billions was spent ending that war and many thousands of KIA and WIA. I consider the idea that not enough was done, insulting.

Shockey

All I will say is this - if Auschwitz had been bombed, what would have become of its occupants?

It all seems a bit late now, no?

George must have skipped the history class that covered the subject of Auschwitz, and I understand that geography has been one of those things he just 'didn't get'.

I had read somewhere about Allied consideration of bombing the Auschwitz - Birkenau complex, not because of the concentration camp, but because of the industrial area. Whether they took the slave labourers into consideration, or not, the site wasn't bombed.

Such action, due to the isolation and restricted access to the location, would have given little relief to the inmates.

What else could one say at Vad Yashem knowing that business interests in your own country (including some in the family) may have assisted the rise of the Nazis.

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Originally posted by popsiq:
George must have skipped the history class that covered the subject of Auschwitz, and I understand that geography has been one of those things he just 'didn't get'.

I had read somewhere about Allied consideration of bombing the Auschwitz - Birkenau complex, not because of the concentration camp, but because of the industrial area. Whether they took the slave labourers into consideration, or not, the site wasn't bombed.

Such action, due to the isolation and restricted access to the location, would have given little relief to the inmates.

What else could one say at Vad Yashem knowing that business interests in your own country (including some in the family) may have assisted the rise of the Nazis.

First off...you know NOTHING about what WE are taught in OUR History Classes...so knock of the Bush bashing and stick to the knowledge and history of your French-Canadian PMs...

The President acknowledged it was a very complex problem the same as President Roosevelt...I have to agree with Shockey...it wouod have been a very temporary halt in the rail lines and a waste of resources better used against military installations and targets...

Trying to fault the US for not bombing is absurd at this point in time...history is history...accept it for what it is and try not to repeat the same mistakes in the future...

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Yad Vashem's chairman, Avner Shalev, quoted Bush as saying the U.S. should have "bombed it." Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Bush referred to the train tracks leading to Auschwitz, not the camp itself, where between 1.1 million and 1.5 million people were killed by Nazi Germany.

Even still, I do so look forward to a day when the Secretary of State might not have to follow after the President and say that what he clearly said is not what he really meant. Being inarticulate is not the same thing as being stupid by any means, but it does have its drawbacks.

dear Mr Bush, you kinda had to be there at the time! You should have started the surge 4 yrs ago, Dumass!!!

It just amazes me how the liberal slugs come out from under their rocks to slam Bush "Again".

Knowing full well, Bush wasn't even born yet, but, its his fault...

There ought to be a four party system.
1. Rep
2. Dem
3. Libs
4. Indep

This would even the playing field out and get the slug liberals out of Dem party. They won't have a leg to stand on if that would happen..We are very close to a 3 party system now..Add one to it and we are square away, then its bye-bye slugs...

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Originally posted by TheTinker:

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Originally posted by popsiq:
George must have skipped the history class that covered the subject of Auschwitz, and I understand that geography has been one of those things he just 'didn't get'.

I had read somewhere about Allied consideration of bombing the Auschwitz - Birkenau complex, not because of the concentration camp, but because of the industrial area. Whether they took the slave labourers into consideration, or not, the site wasn't bombed.

Such action, due to the isolation and restricted access to the location, would have given little relief to the inmates.

What else could one say at Vad Yashem knowing that business interests in your own country (including some in the family) may have assisted the rise of the Nazis.

First off...you know NOTHING about what WE are taught in OUR History Classes...so knock of the Bush bashing and stick to the knowledge and history of your French-Canadian PMs...

The President acknowledged it was a very complex problem the same as President Roosevelt...I have to agree with Shockey...it wouod have been a very temporary halt in the rail lines and a waste of resources better used against military installations and targets...

Trying to fault the US for not bombing is absurd at this point in time...history is history...accept it for what it is and try not to repeat the same mistakes in the future...

Extremely well stated, Tinker!

OH YEAH ! Let the inmates die in a demonstration of S H O C K AND A W E ! They would rather die (?) than continue their struggle to survive.

I think you are wrong Mr. President. And I think you are wrong about the collateral casualties from shock and awe attacks in Iraq.

There is no surprise that you would feel that way, Helez. Go back and read it again, in particular the part about bombing the rail lines to avoid killing and injuring those that were confined to the concentration camps!

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Originally posted by JimSorber:
There is no surprise that you would feel that way, Helez. Go back and read it again, in particular the part about bombing the rail lines to avoid killing and injuring those that were confined to the concentration camps!

Who do you think would do the work of repairing the rail lines ? How accurate do you think the bombing was in WW II ?

There would have been an undetermined number of camp inmates killed !

Hi shockey,looks like you need some history lessons.Billions was spent!!!Right.We should never forget all those U.S. soldiers who died fighting for free Europe!!!The main problem at that time was that neither U.S. or U.K. or France for that matter had other priority than this part of Europe.

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Originally posted by shockey:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159857,00.html

It is only my opinion but.
The best way to stop the killing was to stop the killers.
Bombing the rail lines would only have stopped the trains for a short period of time (till the track was repaired) Probably overnight at best.
The Germans were killing these people not the US.
Billions was spent ending that war and many thousands of KIA and WIA. I consider the idea that not enough was done, insulting.

Shockey

Everyone learns about the Holocaust in school, through veterans and seeing documentaries or reading books. Nothing can prepare you for what you experience when you actually tour a former concentration camp. While it's easy to say more should have been done, hindsight is always 20/20. The allies who freed these camps were living it in real time and doing what they could at the time. I'm sure the guys who freed the camps wished they could have done more for the prisoners. We have the benefit of looking back and seeing where more could have been done. That's why learning lessons from the past and not allowing repeats of those atrocities is important. The words on top of a building at Dachau say "Never Again". We need to heed those words.

There is only one "dumbass" and it is you newbie. Do it again and you are gone.

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Originally posted by 16109388:
dear Mr Bush, you kinda had to be there at the time! You should have started the surge 4 yrs ago, Dumass!!!

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Originally posted by TheTinker:

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Originally posted by popsiq:
George must have skipped the history class that covered the subject of Auschwitz, and I understand that geography has been one of those things he just 'didn't get'.

I had read somewhere about Allied consideration of bombing the Auschwitz - Birkenau complex, not because of the concentration camp, but because of the industrial area. Whether they took the slave labourers into consideration, or not, the site wasn't bombed.

Such action, due to the isolation and restricted access to the location, would have given little relief to the inmates.

What else could one say at Vad Yashem knowing that business interests in your own country (including some in the family) may have assisted the rise of the Nazis.

First off...you know NOTHING about what WE are taught in OUR History Classes...so knock of the Bush bashing and stick to the knowledge and history of your French-Canadian PMs...

The President acknowledged it was a very complex problem the same as President Roosevelt...I have to agree with Shockey...it wouod have been a very temporary halt in the rail lines and a waste of resources better used against military installations and targets...

Trying to fault the US for not bombing is absurd at this point in time...history is history...accept it for what it is and try not to repeat the same mistakes in the future...

Careful...he may not know exactly what we are taught, but a hell of a lot of non-Americans' knowledge of American history is surprisingly in-depth. I've heard things from my NATO colleagues that I was never taught in school, and looked them up afterward.

Don't underestimate their education.

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Originally posted by oldmole:

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Yad Vashem's chairman, Avner Shalev, quoted Bush as saying the U.S. should have "bombed it." Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Bush referred to the train tracks leading to Auschwitz, not the camp itself, where between 1.1 million and 1.5 million people were killed by Nazi Germany.

Even still, I do so look forward to a day when the Secretary of State might not have to follow after the President and say that what he clearly said is not what he really meant. Being inarticulate is not the same thing as being stupid by any means, but it does have its drawbacks.

LOL

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Originally posted by mcgreer:

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Originally posted by TheTinker:

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Originally posted by popsiq:
George must have skipped the history class that covered the subject of Auschwitz, and I understand that geography has been one of those things he just 'didn't get'.

I had read somewhere about Allied consideration of bombing the Auschwitz - Birkenau complex, not because of the concentration camp, but because of the industrial area. Whether they took the slave labourers into consideration, or not, the site wasn't bombed.

Such action, due to the isolation and restricted access to the location, would have given little relief to the inmates.

What else could one say at Vad Yashem knowing that business interests in your own country (including some in the family) may have assisted the rise of the Nazis.

First off...you know NOTHING about what WE are taught in OUR History Classes...so knock of the Bush bashing and stick to the knowledge and history of your French-Canadian PMs...

The President acknowledged it was a very complex problem the same as President Roosevelt...I have to agree with Shockey...it wouod have been a very temporary halt in the rail lines and a waste of resources better used against military installations and targets...

Trying to fault the US for not bombing is absurd at this point in time...history is history...accept it for what it is and try not to repeat the same mistakes in the future...

Careful...he may not know exactly what we are taught, but a hell of a lot of non-Americans' knowledge of American history is surprisingly in-depth. I've heard things from my NATO colleagues that I was never taught in school, and looked them up afterward.

Don't underestimate their education.

I don't underestimate their education at all... I was born in Canada...my brothers attended school there...my mother was raised and educated in Canada as well as all of her side of the family who still live there...one of her brothers was a French teacher in Stratford, Ontario...another was a Professor at Univeristy of Windsor...I am well aware of their education...

no worries...

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Originally posted by TheTinker:

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Originally posted by mcgreer:

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Originally posted by TheTinker:

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Originally posted by popsiq:
George must have skipped the history class that covered the subject of Auschwitz, and I understand that geography has been one of those things he just 'didn't get'.

I had read somewhere about Allied consideration of bombing the Auschwitz - Birkenau complex, not because of the concentration camp, but because of the industrial area. Whether they took the slave labourers into consideration, or not, the site wasn't bombed.

Such action, due to the isolation and restricted access to the location, would have given little relief to the inmates.

What else could one say at Vad Yashem knowing that business interests in your own country (including some in the family) may have assisted the rise of the Nazis.

First off...you know NOTHING about what WE are taught in OUR History Classes...so knock of the Bush bashing and stick to the knowledge and history of your French-Canadian PMs...

The President acknowledged it was a very complex problem the same as President Roosevelt...I have to agree with Shockey...it wouod have been a very temporary halt in the rail lines and a waste of resources better used against military installations and targets...

Trying to fault the US for not bombing is absurd at this point in time...history is history...accept it for what it is and try not to repeat the same mistakes in the future...

Careful...he may not know exactly what we are taught, but a hell of a lot of non-Americans' knowledge of American history is surprisingly in-depth. I've heard things from my NATO colleagues that I was never taught in school, and looked them up afterward.

Don't underestimate their education.

I don't iunderestimate their education at all... I was born in Canada...my brothers attended school there...my mother was raised and educated in Canada as we all of her side of the family who still live there...one of her brothers was a French teacher in Ontario...another was a Professor at Univeristy of Windsor...I am well aware of their education...

no worries...

Cool...

The Palestinians are just as much the victims of Jewish fascism as the Jews were victims of German fascism. By maintaining that there can be found in the Holocaust a justification for what the Zionists have done to the Palestinians, the Israelis have succeeded where the Nazis had failed. It is repugnant to observe how easily American leaders accept this connection, in order to justify support for what the Israelis are doing.