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So, this all must mean that the US is in a world of poop when it comes to the war in Iraq?

What has Bush gotten us into?

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Originally posted by MGYSGTPenn:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159483,00.html

So, this all must mean that the US is in a world of poop when it comes to the war in Iraq?

What has Bush gotten us into?

Top - This has been known since the invasion. I gravely doubt these Baathist hardliners will ever adapt to any government except the old regime. They don't care for the Democratic elected Iraqi even so some refer to them as "resistance". They are more nationalist than a religious group much on the order of the Shiite Mahdi Army, their leaders resides in Syria, financed with money that came from Saddams millions he withdrew from the bank the day of the bombing. Some of them have volunteered to help the new government, but some of them are never going away.

When caught, I say let the Awakening Council have them. They will execute them as they should. The U.S. on the other hand gives them due process and.........

Bush states, Islam is a noble religion.

Because of that, our Military leaders instruct our troops to venerate the religion of the Iraqis. The religion claimed by the lion’s share of Iraqis is Islam.

Islam, that noble religion of theirs, which our Commander in Chief venerates and that religion that our troops are instructed to venerated, commands it's adherents to kill infidels wherever they find them. What's more, should an infidel (non-Islamic) Army ever invade their Islamic nation, Islam commands it adherents to drive out all infidels from their Islamic nation.

So where does Bush stand? Or is a sound asleep?

He's a fool to claim he supports our troops, when our troops, at the order of their commander in chief, are instructed to respect the culture of the Iraqis. Because the culture of the Iraqis is one that is defined by the tenets of Islam. If our troops are to respect that culture, then our troops must respect the religious duty of the Islamic fighter (mujahid) and his religious right to kill, maim, or do whatever he can to drive out the infidels from Islamic lands.

Why are we so fearful of facing the reality of this? Shame on this nation for sending our troops into such a winless self-defeating situation.

Gold Star Mom.

Debi Brand

We are not respecting any "fighter" in Iraq. What the ROE does is make us think long and hard before we blow up a Mosque or kill a cleric. It is hard for an American mind to grasp what religon means to these people. By respecting their religous beliefs, we are trying to win hearts and minds. This, as opposed to creating brand new enemies every time we blow up a Mosque. Nation building is tough stuff, especially in the Middle East. "kill them all" is just not an option.

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"Shiite militias supported by Iran and death squads are still playing a large role in the violence," he said, adding however that violence across Iraq has dropped because "the U.S. exerted pressure on Iran."

I don't know how true that actually is, but it is notable that some portion of the people shooting at us think so.

They should be executed. Our soldiers are losing their lives to a worthless cause. President Bush, junior, is suckiing bicho. If it were up to me, I would let them kill themselves.We still do not learn from past things.

Bush has no children involved in that Hell Hole. Go for it McCain!!!

McCain is the man

The vast majority of U.S. citizens don't have children in this war sssoooo what?

In fact I don't think we have any children in this war!

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Originally posted by Hawk166:
We are not respecting any "fighter" in Iraq. What the ROE does is make us think long and hard before we blow up a Mosque or kill a cleric. It is hard for an American mind to grasp what religon means to these people. By respecting their religous beliefs, we are trying to win hearts and minds. This, as opposed to creating brand new enemies every time we blow up a Mosque. Nation building is tough stuff, especially in the Middle East. "kill them all" is just not an option.

I think you missed my point. I never suggested "kill them all" as the solution.

I stated, as you state above, part of our mission is to respect their religion.

If we are to indeed respect their religion--and I do understand just what it means to them; hence my statements--we must respect the fact that as good Muslims, they are required to do all they can to drive out infidel forces from thier nation.

That is my point.

How do we expect to win their hearts and minds, when, written in their psyche is Allah's commamd to drive infidels from their nation?

We are asking them to discount Allah's orders, and allow us to stay in their nation. For the Iraqis to allow us that is unIslamic.

Completely. Unless, that is, we are there as their servants, booty from war.

Every single Iraqi citizen killed by the insurgents has a family member(s) that will want revenge. This is what is known as a catch-22 and we can never end the cycle of violence until we kill every single islamic fanatic in the middle east, something I highly doubt we have the time, resources, fortitude or ability to accomplish. This is NOT just about Iraq for those of you that believe otherwise, every country that is Muslim has a vested interest in what is happening and not too many of them are on our side. I don't believe we can "win" anything over there and we should bring our soldiers home now and let them kill each other.

They are also required to kill the infidel, thats everybody on the planet except them!

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Originally posted by mmulder67:
Every single Iraqi citizen killed by the insurgents has a family member(s) that will want revenge. This is what is known as a catch-22 and we can never end the cycle of violence until we kill every single islamic fanatic in the middle east, something I highly doubt we have the time, resources, fortitude or ability to accomplish. This is NOT just about Iraq for those of you that believe otherwise, every country that is Muslim has a vested interest in what is happening and not too many of them are on our side. I don't believe we can "win" anything over there and we should bring our soldiers home now and let them kill each other.

I could not agree more with you.

Bush--and all who support his experment in Iraq--is proven a fool by stating we will respect Islam, when a central tenet of Islam is to drive out infidels from Islamic lands.

It is high time, Americans on the Right, pull our heads out. Demand our leaders to do likewise.

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Originally posted by Tanks35:
My questions are, How long are we going to have to stay in Iraq to train troops that won't train? Soldiers who will not fight for their own country? To me it sounds more like the turf wars in LA between the Crips and the Bloods!As for Iraq, there is a Southern saying "This Dog Won't Hunt" Every time I see a homeless American this is one of two thoughts that run through my mind.
Tanks

We will be there, with our troops dying for no lasting gain, until, enough of us on the Right, demand our leaders pull their damn heads out, face facts with respect to Islam and its central role in the Muslim psyche.

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rayevinsonsr
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Posted Mon 07 January 2008 06:16 AM Hide Post

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Originally posted by MGYSGTPenn:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159483,00.html

So, this all must mean that the US is in a world of poop when it comes to the war in Iraq?

What has Bush gotten us into?



Top - This has been known since the invasion. I gravely doubt these Baathist hardliners will ever adapt to any government except the old regime. They don't care for the Democratic elected Iraqi even so some refer to them as "resistance". They are more nationalist than a religious group much on the order of the Shiite Mahdi Army, their leaders resides in Syria, financed with money that came from Saddams millions he withdrew from the bank the day of the bombing. Some of them have volunteered to help the new government, but some of them are never going away.

And where dose this leave the U.S. , there forever !unless our Democratic
congress gets some balls and refuse to fund any more, but instead they give more, lying bunch of shi** heads, they have had more then enough time to do what they promised the American people, but have not done one damn thing they promised. You can bet your sweet gall stones I will turn Independent, real soon.
Bush will use his veto pen tell his time is up, then leave it up to the next poor creature to try and straighten this mess out , if even it can be straightened out.Christ what a mess this country is in.domestic and foreign, in all my years and many administrations I have never seen lies told to the people of this country as it is being told now,I think it would pay the people that supports all this , to do a lot more research, you will see where the money is going, and where this country is headed. it is a sad day in America when our young people have to give there lives for nothing, Oh there will be die hards on my case, for sure. I probably won't be around in another 10 or 15 years. to see the results of this crazy task we have taken on, a task that will never be finished.

NOTHING NEW. If we would just pack up and leave, the situation in Iraq would resolve itself.

Right now we can just put Iraq on the sidelines. Bush is traveling to the mideast next week to stir the pot and " moon " the Islamists. He just wants to keep the pot stirred up until he leaves office.

It is probably better for "W" to stay involved with the quagmire he created in the mideast than for him to mess up the internal affairs in this country.

Thank God there is just 54 weeks left.

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Originally posted by FBRinchich:

Posted Mon 07 January 2008 06:16 AM Hide Post

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Originally posted by MGYSGTPenn:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159483,00.html



And where dose this leave the U.S. , there forever !unless our Democratic
congress gets some balls and refuse to fund any more, but instead they give more, lying bunch of shi** heads, they have had more then enough time to do what they promised the American people, but have not done one damn thing they promised. You can bet your sweet gall stones I will turn Independent, real soon.
Bush will use his veto pen tell his time is up, then leave it up to the next poor creature to try and straighten this mess out , if even it can be straightened out.Christ what a mess this country is in.domestic and foreign, in all my years and many administrations I have never seen lies told to the people of this country as it is being told now,I think it would pay the people that supports all this , to do a lot more research, you will see where the money is going, and where this country is headed. it is a sad day in America when our young people have to give there lives for nothing, Oh there will be die hards on my case, for sure. I probably won't be around in another 10 or 15 years. to see the results of this crazy task we have taken on, a task that will never be finished.

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Originally posted by FBRinchich:

Posted Mon 07 January 2008 06:16 AM Hide Post

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Originally posted by MGYSGTPenn:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159483,00.html



And where dose this leave the U.S. , there forever !unless our Democratic
congress gets some balls and refuse to fund any more, but instead they give more, lying bunch of shi** heads, they have had more then enough time to do what they promised the American people, but have not done one damn thing they promised. You can bet your sweet gall stones I will turn Independent, real soon.
Bush will use his veto pen tell his time is up, then leave it up to the next poor creature to try and straighten this mess out , if even it can be straightened out.Christ what a mess this country is in.domestic and foreign, in all my years and many administrations I have never seen lies told to the people of this country as it is being told now,I think it would pay the people that supports all this , to do a lot more research, you will see where the money is going, and where this country is headed. it is a sad day in America when our young people have to give there lives for nothing, Oh there will be die hards on my case, for sure. I probably won't be around in another 10 or 15 years. to see the results of this crazy task we have taken on, a task that will never be finished.

You are right, that does leave us there pretty much forever. As Mc Cain said just last week, he's willing to leave our troops there for 100 years. Until they are there and not being killed there.

How damn dumb can a man get?

The Democrats have done nothing to effect the end of this foolish spending in Iraq and the Republicans are all willingly blind on the facts therein.

On the Right, you have the likes of Bill O'Rielly and crowd pushing for us to stay in Iraq until we win, when, facts show, there in no time nor way nor place we win. On the Right, ignoring realities on the ground and in the people of Iraq, they state, the surge is working. Thus, the goal of a Iraq being a West-friendly nation, blooming.

They flat disregard reality.

They plum ignore, most Iraqis see us as the reason for all the horrors they have known in the wonderful Post-Saddam Iraq we brought to them. Thus, they see us as the enemy, the occupiers of land that belongs to the Prophet of Islam and his community. Occupiers they are determined to drive out of their nation.

And so that is what they are working towards. And our troops are there in Iraq to help the very people who are devoted to driving our troops from their Islamic claimed land.

Small wonder, the Iraqis--The Iraq Resistance--not "al-Qaida," but the Iraqis are claiming victory over us.

But the Right is flat blind to those realities. Because to admit to them, shames them and shows GW's experiment in Iraq for the colossal folly that is was and remains.

High time we call The Right on this.

We're stuck in Iraq.

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Originally posted by Hawk166:
We are not respecting any "fighter" in Iraq. What the ROE does is make us think long and hard before we blow up a Mosque or kill a cleric. It is hard for an American mind to grasp what religon means to these people. By respecting their religous beliefs, we are trying to win hearts and minds. This, as opposed to creating brand new enemies every time we blow up a Mosque. Nation building is tough stuff, especially in the Middle East. "kill them all" is just not an option.

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