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Watchdog Groups Decry Chaplain's Book
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159341,00.html Navy Chaplain
Obviously, this man is about as spiritually-conflicted as any man of "Faith" could be, therefore he is NOT serving the best interests our the troops, if he cannot serve a large percentage of them because of a religious bias (in this case Muslims), and especially in that area of the world? He should be canned. |
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I agree. he is not fit to be a Chaplin for the religiouspeople in the military then he should be kicked out. That's what he agree to when he came in. |
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You people always think you know what your talking about. How can a Muslim outsider know if Islam is violent? People who have lived their whole life under Islam have come out saying it is violent. If any religion was accused of what Islam is accused of, many people would lie to try and protect their religion from being attacked by the world. Islam allows for women to be beaten for showing a little skin, not just beaten murdered for wanting free will, for praying and looking up towards their God! Women are terribly enslaved by Islam, treated as animals and that alone should be enough right there to show you how violent this religion is. Where is christianity does it says men and women are unequal or were does it say men and women should be treated unequal? We are all humans who deserve the same equal treatment, should not be despised because I have boobs and you do not. Women are blamed if a man is sexually tempted, if some skin is shown, when we all have the ability to say "NO" and turn our heads. Do the righteous thing. I read up Islam and I read a few books of people born and raise in the Islamist faith! There law teaches they will never be able to accept unbelievers like Jews which they hate, Christians, and many other religions. This is the real world not what you want to believe!
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Let's not allow ad hominem attacks to get in the way of facts. Keep in mind that Joe Biden, a Presdiential Candidate and "well-respected" MOC was once a "plagerist"!
The real problem with Islam is not it's "philosophy". The problem is that there are as many interpretations of the Words of the Koran as there are Imamms! Contrast this to the Roman Church. The Pope sets the dogma and if ya don't believe it yer out! BTW, today is the anniversary of Martin Luther's excommunication. His basic "heresy" was that the Roman Chirch at the time was giving out way too many indulgences (roadmaps to Heaven) for cash. Not much has changed in this world since then. |
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Thank you OC for reminding us of Luther's anniversary . .. he was a man who stood up for his beliefs and brought about much needed reform. Jesus said: "By their fruits you will know them . . ." Now, do we see Christians sending out suicide bombers or indulging in terrorist attacks? Do we see at least the modern version of the Christian faith encouraging violence? And thank you to the person above who pointed out the inequalities inherent in Islam. It does seem sometimes to be a religion of hate rather than love . . . But on the subject at hand, I think a review of what the chaplain in question believes NOW would be in order, and if he can't minister to his flock because of his beliefs, well, he needs to go find some people who he can minister to.
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Much of the support for America's ME misadventures is predicated on unwarranted bigotry against Arabs, Muslims and so-called Islamofascists. This brand of bigotry is prevalent in many posting here on Mil.com and may be typically representative of the attitudes inculcated in the minds of our military personnel by influences such as military chaplains. I recall mandatory Troop Information and Education (TI&E) sessions that I was subjected to while in the Army. These were subtle propaganda sessions "preached" by chaplains to captive audiences. I usually went away from these sessions feeling that my intelligence had been insulted by US Army Political Officers hiding behind the Cross. IMO, the US taxpayer should not be required to support the military chaplaincy whose primary mission is to propagandize the troops.
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To Islam all others are infidels and should be put to the sword if they do not convert. The problem is not with this Navy Chaplain, who speaks the truth but with Islam. Has anyone noticed that we never saw any of the Islamic groups in the U.S. come out against the 9/11 attacks? That is because they serve their religion first, then the country.
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 While I agree in principle with what you say, I would be loathe to condemn the whole of the military's chaplaincy service. I'm sure some of the chaplains at least try to actually minister to the young men and women in their care. Perhaps what is needed is a re-thinking of the role and the work of chaplains, and then to recruit within a new framework? |
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Ever read a dollar bill, or a Quarter? "In God We Trust"? It doesn't say "In Each Other We Trust", nor "In Our Country We Trust"... and the fact is that MOST Muslims in this country DID decry the 9-11 attacks, and most of not all Muslim "citizens" of the U.S. are just as patriotic as YOU are. (Just like most Japanese citizens were in 1941, just before we locked them up in concentration camps...?). |
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Send his a$$ back to the Dust Bowl or where ever he came from. How can claim to know if those 20 Marines were or were not "ready to make the commitment"... That commitment is between those men and God. That (Chaplain??) is nothing short of a wolf in sheeps clothing.. Its a$$holes like him that destroyed my faith in orgnized Christianity... There is no excuse for that kind action.. A person in a combat situation has little enough peace of mind without a SUPPOSED man of God taking their new found faith away from them because HE thinks they are not ready to have faith????? In a word Bu**Sh**!!!!!!!!!
This artical just ruined my whole flippin day.. Sorry for the rant, but that makes me see red. |
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This is a slippery slope. Everyone believes that "their" religion is indeed the true gospel. Although they may be tolerant of other religions up to a point, deep down they believe theirs is aligned with the beliefs of their God. A Baptist minister and a Catholic priest may both pray to the same God, but in the dark of the pew, each believes deep down that the views of his particular church have the ear of God.
And for that belief, this nation has fought several wars. You and I each have the right to choose our own religious belief and prothesize accordingly. That said, a chaplain in the military, just as the chaplain in a hospital, has an obligation to be respectful of all recognized religions and be tolerant in their views. Now if the chaplain believes that a particular religion does indeed foster views that are not in harmony with his fundamental beliefs, then he has a problem. The chaplain in question appears to be an educated, enlightened man who indeed believes that Islam can be a violent religion, as pointed out in his book. I can definitely see where any rational thinking individual would come to that conclusion. If the military is comfortable with accepting Muslim members into it's ranks, then a chaplain whos personal beliefs are not sympathetic to Muslims, then he has a fundamental problem with his job and probably should not be in a position where he has to counsel members of religions where he is not in harmony. If he can not put aside his personal beliefs and just "cowboy up", he is likely not the man for the job. |
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I've lived my whole life under Islam, and I have yet to get into a fist fight in the name of my religion, much less kill anyone. The same goes for the standard Muslim American military member.
My mother and my sister have been Muslims their whole lives. I have many (and I do mean many) female relatives, aunts, cousins, who are still alive...not murdered. They are not treated like animals. They are not slaves. Most of them work outside the home. Some are housewives. Out of the many relatives I have had, only one has been beaten by her husband, and that was due to his alcoholism and drug addiction...not Islam.
I suggest you read something a little more accurate. I'd be happy to recommend some good reads
Please go through my post history and you will find many reputable links to Islamic groups, American and otherwise who have spoken out against the 9/11 attacks. This foolish claim has been debated over and over again.
And this would be different from the vast majority of Christians in this country....how? |
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Good morning TC, Terry et al.
And the problem with pointing out the violent aspect of Islam would be,,,, oh yeah, nothing! Someone posted "interpretaion of the Koran." Hmm, let's see, how would you interpret "to kill a Jew or Christian gains you favor with Allah?" Yup, sounds open to a lot of interpretation to me. NOT! When they have finally shut up all of the (true)Jewish and (true) Christian chaplains see how it fares for those in the military. Poorly I would venture to say! Many branches but one brotherhood! |
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I have not found this quote in the Qur'an...do you have a chapter and verse? |
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My religion doesn't give me license to scatter anyone's chit in the wind. Read the Koran in the order it was written (not printed) and you'll see it gets more violent as time goes by. BIG differeance in Medinan and Meccan verses. There's this pesky detail called the doctrine of Abrogation you have to factor in as well... Mohammed had weapons with names, armor, led bandit raiding parties against caravans of "non-believers", had poets murdered, anihilated Jewish tribes that lived in Saudi Arabia, had sex with a 9 year old girl, on and on Buddha sat under the Bodhi tree seeking enlightenment, Christ beat dishonestmoney changers with a whip of cords (killing none) and was crucfied for the sins of the world, and most Hindus (except Hari Krishnas) will say the battle Arjuna fought with Krsna advising him was metaphoric. Mohammed is the "Original Gangsta" of religions... Doubt me please & read the Koran & prove me wrong.... |
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This is still 'America'!!!
The man can say what he wants, and can even have it printed. BUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT! This is an endorsment for political correctness. |
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I have not found this quote in the Qur'an...do you have a chapter and verse? ----------------------------- Of course he doesn't. |
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