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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,158983,00.html
He is an upstanding military man,who should keep his job |
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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,158983,00.html
He's entitled to his opinion and he can leave when he wants as a Reserve so adios and good luck. What irks me is how they make such a big news story about a guy who only spent about 4 years on active duty resigning from the Reserves (which they only mention 1/2 way through) as though he were some long serving General or Admiral who had put in a siginifcant portion of their lives every day to the military and quit over this issue. This guy is a "Lawyer" for goodness sake and from what the story sounds like he's rarely even a military lawyer. Obviously the media couldn't find some O-6 active duty lawyer who was as upset as this guy so they took what they could get. That in itself should tell you a lot about the story but of course, most people won't catch that, they'll just look and say "Oh! Navy lawyers are quitting over this 'torture' issue, it must really be bad!" Sigh...poor sheep. |
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Suspended: 20 days. Stillkit |
Nah, everyone knows torture is good. It's not a big deal. |
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I guess the problem with war is that it is personal and emotional. People will justify actions out of hate and give those actions an honorable name. A professional will do all they can to prevent emotions from overriding judgement. A test of character that only the strong will pass. Strength lies in the following of rules designed to govern emotions, by the book. Who will eccept the challenge? My beliefs, my views. |
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Very true. |
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Who's in charge of picking and choosing the stories that make it to this forum anyways? Is it Sean Penn and Tim Robbins? Lets see the story of a military member that decided to re-up cause he liked his job or believed in doing difficult things in defense/support of his/her buddies. Not good enough huh?. As for how would we feel if Iranian interrogators waterboarded one of our own?....we and that unfortunate service member should only be so lucky. The way those people get information guarantees dismembering, permanet burns, electrocution,...those just for starters. The effects of their interrogation is permanent maiming if not death in Iran. The Geneva convention is a document they wipe themselves with. And here we are...mister writer carefully choosing the part time JAG as a story to show what evil people we truly are. The military judicial system is gonna collapse after this guy resigns....his morals are just so sensitive...he never hedges the law when trying a case...lets the other side win cause he's so painfully honest. He's a Harmon Rab..with a conscience. Stay tuned folks...I am willing to make a wager that after we endure the next domestic terrorist attack (which is coming as soon as the next administration goes soft on all this stuff), the bleating hearts are gonna claim, "we asked for it..this happened cause of waterboarding and cause of listening to someones phone call, and cause of Guantanamo". Yeah right....like if we had gotten rid of all those practices and that offshore prison all of our terrorist problems were going to go away. Geez....what a bunch of sheep.
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This officer resigned over an issue of conscience. Period.
Waterboarding is torture Torture is illegal Torture is immoral Torture is a War Crime Torture is contrary to everything this nation stands for and everything that old uniform hanging in the back of my closet ever stood for. Torture is not an American value.. ..not under any circumstances, not with any excuses, rationalizations or justifications .....ever. |
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In the interview, Graham asked Hartmann how the uniformed legal community should respond if the Iranian government used waterboarding to torture a U.S. solider into disclosing when the next U.S. military operation would occur.
Hartmann responded: "I am not prepared to answer that question." I guess the answer should have been - Iran does not use waterbording they cut your head off. |
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Our guys wear uniforms, and don't hide behind women and children. 'nuff said!
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and [/QUOTE] What irks me is how they make such a big news story about a guy who only spent about 4 years on active duty resigning from the Reserves (which they only mention 1/2 way through) as though he were some long serving General or Admiral who had put in a siginifcant portion of their lives every day to the military and quit over this issue. This guy is a "Lawyer" for goodness sake and from what the story sounds like he's rarely even a military lawyer.[QUOTE] THESE TWO QUOTES PRETTY MUCH TELL IT LIKE IT IS. YOU HAVE A NOBODY NEWSPAPER WRITER WRITING A STORY ABOUT A NOBODY. IN THE GRAND SCHEME OR BIG PICTURE, WHY DOES THIS EVEN MAKE MIL.COM? |
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It's important to let the captured determine what torture is, only they feel the pain!
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Aside from the U.S. and Brits what country has ever honored the Geneva Convention?
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"I am not prepared to answer that question."
Please explain to me how that quote is an admission the US uses/used waterboarding (or any other form of torture). The bleeding hearts see a conflagration here; the hardcores see nirvana. Reality is most likely somewhere in between, but come on, saying "I'm not prepared to answer" is no admission - or even implication - of anything. BTW, I agree that this story is hardly newsworthy, even for the what some call the 'liberal rags'. The guy's entitled to his opinion. So am I. Good riddance to him. |
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I think you have it backwards.
A TRUE test of character are those who stand by their morals and to not set them aside for any purpose. And that has its consequences for the individual. There are those who's moral beliefs allow them to remain. It will always be that way. But to say that they are "stronger" than anyone else is obsurd.
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I believe he should support what he believe in. However, he can/could probably do more good for his views in than out
LTC, the US needs you! |
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Adios, M F , no loss, just another liberal communist taken out of the military gene pool. We need more resignations like this for a stronger military.
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Why is tis even news?
I was water boarded, twice, in SERE, once until I passed out, in 1964. Have we become sissy's since then? If this is "torture" then the 50 or 60 thousand of us upon whom this "torture" was applied to on U.S. property, by U.S. personnel, should file suit against the congress of the United States for complicity in the act of torture. Because, it was done with their full knowledge. Water boarding is NOT torture and should be used whenever possible to obtain intel when other, nicer, method's have failed. And, what's all this crap regarding the "they might do it to us in return" crowd. Are these people idiot's? They would have to be if they do not know what happens to captured American GI's. Here's the scoop for those idiot's: captured GI's have been tortured, truly tortured, by every opposition, in every war we've been associated with! These animal's torture and kill aid worker's, and other innocent civilian's (insert Nickolas Berg) just for PR! Have we lost our mind's? No! This 16 year LCdr's resignation is just one more publicity stunt by the left. |
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I concur with his resignation and there will be many more resigning or retiring from the JAG corps. The President wants all JAG officers placed under the scrutiny of political appointees, in turn, these political appointees will determine whether one will be promoted or not. Now, assume you have an outstanding JAG officer in a unit, who is well respected does an outstanding in his/her job, and is passed over for a promotion because he/she failed to convict an individual because political appointees didn't agree with their ideas. I thought promotions were better understood at the lower level through efficiency reports or OER's. Maybe my absence from the military since 1975 has changed dramatically, but I don't believe political appointees should be the determination of who is or is not promoted.
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Williams is a wimp
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Good riddance!!! I think Samuel Adams said it best... "We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
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