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Originally posted by vsaws:
When this story gets to the mainstream media, One can be sure that only the down side will make the headlines. Do you suppose that the insurgency will find that the weakened dam at Mosul could now make that a target to cause more problems for the country. (take out the dam, with a great loss of lives and no electicity for years.) Some things are best not reported in my opnion

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Several different things were mentioned, including the Mosul damn. The point is, what can they Iraqis do with the damn problem with out our help.
As for the Iraqi armed forces, they are improving and as far as the police, well, things have to change, which eventually, they will...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Originally posted by vsaws:
When this story gets to the mainstream media, One can be sure that only the down side will make the headlines. Do you suppose that the insurgency will find that the weakened dam at Mosul could now make that a target to cause more problems for the country. (take out the dam, with a great loss of lives and no electicity for years.) Some things are best not reported in my opnion

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Do you suppose that the insurgency will find that the weakened dam at Mosul could now make that a target to cause more problems for the country.

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Originally posted by schmiddc:

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Do you suppose that the insurgency will find that the weakened dam at Mosul could now make that a target to cause more problems for the country.

Yep, Im sure the Iraqis will have absolutely no clue about the existance of a dam in mosul and no idea about its condition until they see it on msnbc.com

Good lord people, its their country, do you go to the web to find out whats going on in the vacant lot across the street. Ahhh, some of these guys... yes. What's more... if they do not see it online from only a source they choose... they will not believe what is going on with the vacant lot across the street. After all, they do not need to "see" anything. Their belief is all they care about... so stay in tune with that belief... LOL!

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Originally posted by schmiddc:

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Do you suppose that the insurgency will find that the weakened dam at Mosul could now make that a target to cause more problems for the country.

Yep, Im sure the Iraqis will have absolutely no clue about the existance of a dam in mosul and no idea about its condition until they see it on msnbc.com

Good lord people, its their country, do you go to the web to find out whats going on in the vacant lot across the street.

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Originally posted by 67NOV:
It seems that there is a different story every week about the status of the Iraqis. One week they are standing up taking control, next they are not ready by a long shot. A week or two ago there was an article about how their intelligence is getting good. I'm sure in about a week we'll hear different. : rolleyes :

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Sept. 17, 2003: "In four months we brought back 40,000 police officers, 400 cars in Baghdad, 35 stations, communications all over the country...I couldn't have done that in New York City as the police commissioner in five years. So I'm not really sure what the critics are talking about when they're saying it's taking too long."

**Bernard Kerik, interim minister of the interior in Iraq and former New York City police commissioner, interviewed on NewsHour.

Nov 2, 2003: "What's changed is the Iraqi forces. The Iraqi forces have gone from zero on May 1st up to over 100,000 today. And our plan calls for them to go to something in excess of 200,000. So the total number of security forces in the country has been going up steadily."

**Rumsfeld, ABC This Week

December 6, 2003: "Something in excess of 140,000 Iraqis...are engaged in providing security..."

**Rumsfeld

Jan 31, 2004: "There are almost 200,000 Iraqis now in the police and the Facilities Protection Service and the army the border guard, and a fifth force which I think is maybe the most important one, called the Civil Defense Corps."

**Wolfowitz

March 14, 2004: "We're making very good progress. We're up to over 200,000 Iraqis that have been trained and equipped."

**Rumsfeld, CBS' Face The Nation.

September 23, 2004: "The Iraqi government now commands almost 50,000 armed and combat- ready Iraqis. By January it will be some 145,000. And by the end of next year, some 250,000 Iraqis."

**Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, speaking to US Congress.

October 25, 2004: "Along with Iraqi forces, we're on the offensive in Fallujah and north Babil. We've restored government control in Samarra and Tal Afar and Najaf. More than 100,000 Iraqi soldiers, police and border guards are already trained and equipped and bravely serving their country. And more than 200,000 will be in place at the end of next year."

**President Bush

January 19, 2005: "We think the number [of fully-trained Iraqi forces] right now is somewhere over 120,000."

**Condoleezza Rice, Confirmation Hearings, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

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It seems that there is a different story every week about the status of the Iraqis. One week they are standing up taking control, next they are not ready by a long shot.

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Originally posted by rd350:

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Originally posted by 67NOV:
It seems that there is a different story every week about the status of the Iraqis. One week they are standing up taking control, next they are not ready by a long shot. A week or two ago there was an article about how their intelligence is getting good. I'm sure in about a week we'll hear different. : rolleyes :

roll eyes indeed. The problem is, WE are administering the training/equipping, and there is no accountability WITHIN OUR OWN CHAIN OF COMMAND:

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Sept. 17, 2003: "In four months we brought back 40,000 police officers, 400 cars in Baghdad, 35 stations, communications all over the country...I couldn't have done that in New York City as the police commissioner in five years. So I'm not really sure what the critics are talking about when they're saying it's taking too long."

**Bernard Kerik, interim minister of the interior in Iraq and former New York City police commissioner, interviewed on NewsHour.

Nov 2, 2003: "What's changed is the Iraqi forces. The Iraqi forces have gone from zero on May 1st up to over 100,000 today. And our plan calls for them to go to something in excess of 200,000. So the total number of security forces in the country has been going up steadily."

**Rumsfeld, ABC This Week

December 6, 2003: "Something in excess of 140,000 Iraqis...are engaged in providing security..."

**Rumsfeld

Jan 31, 2004: "There are almost 200,000 Iraqis now in the police and the Facilities Protection Service and the army the border guard, and a fifth force which I think is maybe the most important one, called the Civil Defense Corps."

**Wolfowitz

March 14, 2004: "We're making very good progress. We're up to over 200,000 Iraqis that have been trained and equipped."

**Rumsfeld, CBS' Face The Nation.

September 23, 2004: "The Iraqi government now commands almost 50,000 armed and combat- ready Iraqis. By January it will be some 145,000. And by the end of next year, some 250,000 Iraqis."

**Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, speaking to US Congress.

October 25, 2004: "Along with Iraqi forces, we're on the offensive in Fallujah and north Babil. We've restored government control in Samarra and Tal Afar and Najaf. More than 100,000 Iraqi soldiers, police and border guards are already trained and equipped and bravely serving their country. And more than 200,000 will be in place at the end of next year."

**President Bush

January 19, 2005: "We think the number [of fully-trained Iraqi forces] right now is somewhere over 120,000."

**Condoleezza Rice, Confirmation Hearings, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

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this was from mark ames' 2005 article, which unfortunately (or fortunately if you're a rose colored glasses cheerleader) hasn't been updated.

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Several different things were mentioned, including the Mosul damn. The point is, what can they Iraqis do with the damn problem with out our help.
As for the Iraqi armed forces, they are improving and as far as the police, well, things have to change, which eventually, they will...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

They built dams and bridges just fine before we went in there. Why can't they continue to do well solving these sorts of problems?

Because we won't LET them.

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Originally posted by gunsmoke6:
Iraq, like South Vietnam, and Somolia, is destined to become a failed nation. Although I am a very strong supporter of our troops, I say no more American blood. The die has been cast, and the dice rollen. My brave and magnificant warriors, my prayers are with you.

Gunsmoke6, Nam 65-66

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Originally posted by schmiddc:
[QUOTE]Do you suppose that the insurgency will find that the weakened dam at Mosul could now make that a target to cause more problems for the country.