RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157596,00.html pardon her send her back to her duites and go after the real crimenals in our country, some of whitch are in the white house running for high office,s, most of those are draft dodgers or worse!!! F.L.WHITE {USMC}
If I remember right Marines don’t “Lie, Cheat or Steal,” this woman was no Marine. She should be awarded a first class ticket to Lebanon. I want to also find out how that terrorism sting that one of the conspirators was involved in turned out.
In this case, the "If it walks like a duck, etc. does not apply". She has seen the enemy and they are us!
After 15 years in the Marines, including 2 tours in Iraq, she has clearly paid her dues. Return her to duty, promote her and allow her to pursue her honorable carreer. She deserves better treatment! She is earning her way to citizenship, unlike other illegal immigrants, who depend on the welfare state.
Originally posted by SGMretA: In this case, the "If it walks like a duck, etc. does not apply". She has seen the enemy and they are us!
After 15 years in the Marines, including 2 tours in Iraq, she has clearly paid her dues. Return her to duty, promote her and allow her to pursue her honorable carreer. She deserves better treatment! She is earning her way to citizenship, unlike other illegal immigrants, who depend on the welfare state.
ditto that... write your congressmen and senators and complain. I think she has given back more than she has taken.
I wonder what set the initial investigation off though. It appears that they are all sisters.. how sad that we ignore the real criminals and hassle someone who has clearly become a model citizen. it a sad commentary on our country...
This is nothing new; it is a sad story but nothing new. Do you are remember when our ID cards were green? And the senior NCO would warn us about the girls or guys who simply want that green card ? The bigger lesson here is that you can't build a life built on lies. Sorry, flwhite I can't agree with you here she did break the law and in no way deserves a pardon. She deserves a lenient sentence but not a pardon.
Is this a joke? It happens all the time and the government didn't care until now... They are national heroes, one working to help the CIA because of her culture background and the CPT is definitely a war hero. Why not do the same to those who commit the same fraud but instead they only care about taking what this country has to offer and not contribute to our society? Take their citizenship away because of the fraud and then give it back based on services already provided to this nation, and let them get back to work. We need their expertise and they didn't make the mess to be needed but they are helping to fix it.
I am shocked at how easy people seem to rally behind this woman. I think a lot of things are being overlooked. First what about Honor, you think just because she has served all of her past should be forgiven, that is short sited. The military is based on Honor and disapline, as an officer she could be called on to sit in judgement of other Marines where she is the judge and jury, yet it is ok that in your opinion that she is a criminal, all is forgiven? Second it is not only her actions for her self but she helped other people lie and lied for them so they could get citizenship. Third these women stayed in our country after their visas allowed which makes them illegal aliens and now you want to reward them for breaking the law on top of breaking the law.
The issue we should be looking at is how can the women involved manage to become and officer with a security clearance, and one of the others had a job with the FBI. We should not reward criminals of any kind in this country no matter what they did after the fact.
I really wish I knew more facts about this situation but at this point I come down on the side of probing for some form of forgiveness. It seems to me that so many people of achievement, I know, have a blemish or two. I know I do and I owe it to one or two of my former bosses for addressing those blemishes with me but not throwing me under the bus.
Originally posted by flwhite: RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157596,00.html pardon her send her back to her duites and go after the real crimenals in our country, some of whitch are in the white house running for high office,s, most of those are draft dodgers or worse!!! F.L.WHITE {USMC}
I agree with you. The time she has served and basically become a US citizen by action should go for something.
Because she did break the law, I would say do something like probation, reduction in rank one grade, loss of future promotion. At least she would retain her honorably service, the retirement she DEFINITELY deserves for 15 years and two war tours. If we had a President who truly cared about Veterans and service men and women, he would intervene in her case and do something because of the situation.
No one is also saying much about the effect it will have on the children either....
Forgiveness does not remove responsibility and accountability. Her service is admirable and her citizenship is a fraud. Her service makes forgiveness easy. Her fraud makes justice necessary. A good marine understands.
Originally posted by CannonsFront: I am shocked at how easy people seem to rally behind this woman. I think a lot of things are being overlooked. First what about Honor, you think just because she has served all of her past should be forgiven, that is short sited. The military is based on Honor and disapline, as an officer she could be called on to sit in judgement of other Marines where she is the judge and jury, yet it is ok that in your opinion that she is a criminal, all is forgiven? Second it is not only her actions for her self but she helped other people lie and lied for them so they could get citizenship. Third these women stayed in our country after their visas allowed which makes them illegal aliens and now you want to reward them for breaking the law on top of breaking the law.
The issue we should be looking at is how can the women involved manage to become and officer with a security clearance, and one of the others had a job with the FBI. We should not reward criminals of any kind in this country no matter what they did after the fact.
I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from... but sometimes a persons actions can be for honorable reasons even if the way they went about them was wrong initially. Like my other post says, I do feel she needs a punishment but something that allows her to keep the honorable 15 years and two war tours and her retirement. As far as I am concerned, even though she started out the wrong way, she more than made up for it with her actions.
Besides, what truly determines whether we are true Americans? A piece of paper some bureaucrat gives you or your actions and deeds you actually accomplish? When this country was founded I doubt very much there was someone running around saying "Your American, your not, your not, you are....." She earned the right to be called an American through her actions. Now she needs to step up for some form of REASONABLE punishment that takes into account the way she has spent her life and the service she gave the American people.
Let's remember at least one of these women got inside the FBI/CIA and it sounds like she was a spy, how do we know this wannabe Marine isn't just waiting for the right time to do whatever it is she is going to do. When she is a Major? Lt. Col.? Who knows. The Soviets were masters of this stuff. I say get rid of them with no benefits from my government.
As a disabled retired vet and a federal employee with the U.S. Immigration Court, this issue causes mixed emotions. The soldier side of me fells she has paid her dues and deserves some consideration because of her military service. The immigration side of me fells she should be slam dunked, I see hundreds of criminal and fraud cases a week, not to mention the thousands of fake documents and statements provided by aliens. On the other hand, I am proud to say that I have also see many cases where aliens have followed the legal and correct path to obtain status/citizenship, by serving with honor in our military.
WHY? WHY? WHY? It has to end up like that. What did she do? FRAUD ON CITIZENSHIP. And what? she gave 15 years of her life to this country, she battled for this nation against a tireless ennemy that we created. SHE IS NOT THE ENNEMY. She never place no bombs. she was committed to her duties.She worked hard for the U.S. She is a MARINE. She doesn't deserve such treatment. What if during her two tour to Iraq she had died by ennemy fire? what would she be? She already paid back what she took long ago. she contributed positively to the life of this ****ry.THE ENNEMY IS SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHY?WHY?WHY? GOD!WHY?
How the hell can things happen like this? What were the people doing who take care of background checks? We make ourselve open to terrorism in all forms by not having stronger security all the way around. Get on board and implement the proper procedures from coast to coast in every department dealing with homeland security, what is going to take to make this great country realize that people are going to try another WTC if we don't wise-up.
I agree with most of you, she just went about it the wrong way. If only all of the other illegal immigrants had served the United States as she has we most likey have a shortage of man and women in the military.
The issue of service to our nation should not be viewed as a broom which would sweep away the crimes of the past.
I should not be surprised that these people were able to rise to such positions of authority and responsibility but I am, it sounds like a plot twist in novel.
A hero refers to someone who, in the face of danger and adversity display courage and the will for self-sacrifice, that is for some greater good. There appears to me to be a pattern of self service rather than self sacrifice.
There is also some concern on my part as to if their combined actions were part of some more nefarious scheme.
There are of course many who might view the crimes committed by these women as small and of little consequence but, their actions violated federal law. There was evidence that at least one of them used her position of trust and authority to gather information for her own purpose.
Why would anyone view violation of immigration laws viewed as acceptable? What if they had been crimes against persons such as robbery, rape or murder, that lay in their past?
Where do you draw the line and say we will compromise but only to right here?
No, these women built their lives upon a bed of deceipt and treachery, it is only right and just that they face the consequences for thier actions. And the consequences should not be "a walk".
