RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157386,00.html

Something in this article doesn't sound right? Why would the Army, and by extension Walter Reed Army Medical Center, risk another round of negative publicity. Considering all the recent articles about PTSD, psychological problems, and a growing suicide rate among returning Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans...Pursuing a possible Court-Martial of this individual doesn't seem to make any sense at all!

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Originally posted by stewamart:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157386,00.html

Something in this article doesn't sound right? Why would the Army, and by extension Walter Reed Army Medical Center, risk another round of negative publicity. Considering all the recent articles about PTSD, psychological problems, and a growing suicide rate among returning Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans...Pursuing a possible Court-Martial of this individual doesn't seem to make any sense at all!

I'm with you; I didn't understand it either. If nothing else, they shoulda concentrated on having her discharged and committed?

Especially when you consider her record was excellent prior and Docs are declaring her insane at the time?

Something indeed is missing from this picture to me?

I agree with both of you something is not right. Is there something in her background that caused her to do this? Besides PTSD was she the victim of something she does not want to talk about? And her attempted suicide was to hide it? Only time will tell.

we should show her that she cant commit suicide because her life is too valuable by putting her in prison for the rest of her life, good strategy.

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Originally posted by OSO_NEGRO:
I agree with both of you something is not right. Is there something in her background that caused her to do this? Besides PTSD was she the victim of something she does not want to talk about? And her attempted suicide was to hide it? Only time will tell.

Ughhhh, WHAT a HORRIBLE topic!!!

We're all agreeing and that just ain't right

Goto the "Gay" Bay thread, it should be percolating!!!

This is another example of how the Army treats it's soldiers. I know because I was one for 30 years. Now I have a son in the Army. He got back from Iraq with PTSD, and where do they send him,,Recruiting duty. No soldier after coming back from a combat zone should be sent to a high stress job, like recruiting or drill status.
The Army doesn't care one way or the other for its soldiers. After they have all they can get from you, they either want you to just go away or die so they don't have to deal with you anymore.
After all the problems they had at Walter Reed, you would think that they would not be trying to Court Martial this soldier. I guess they figure it is cheaper to Court Martial her than treat her. No wonder they are having a difficult meeting their recruiting goal.
Something needs to be done to make sure this doesn't happen but who do you go to, the law makers are only worried about re-election.

It would pay to read this article as it give a lot more specific detail.
'A Soldier's Officer'
By Dana Priest and Anne Hull Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 2, 2007; Page A01
'A Soldier's Officer'

It is a pathetic show of your military at its worst.

I suggest Maj. Wolfe be handed a sidearm, one clip, and dropped off in the worst neighborhood in Baghdad. On his own. No support. At night. How do you like it REMF?
AS for Trauma Mama, keep fighting and Don't Let The B------- Get You Down! You have what it takes, and we salute you.

AIR ASSAULT!

The military is definitely dropping the ball on this one, if what the article says is all factual.

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Originally posted by TDR_AUST:
It would pay to read this article as it give a lot more specific detail.
'A Soldier's Officer'
By Dana Priest and Anne Hull Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 2, 2007; Page A01
'A Soldier's Officer'

It is a pathetic show of your military at its worst.

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Originally posted by TDR_AUST:
It would pay to read this article as it give a lot more specific detail.
'A Soldier's Officer'
By Dana Priest and Anne Hull Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 2, 2007; Page A01
'A Soldier's Officer'

It is a pathetic show of your military at its worst.

Thanks for the link. I sure wish Trauma Mama good luck in her fight.

I posted thia article YESTERDAY under "A Soldier's Officer" which was the title of the Washington Post article. Might want to check some of the comments there.

It's sad when you get down to it Service Men and Women are still just numbers. Don't seem right to send her to Iraq and then to jail. I guess they will also charge her with miss use of goverment property since she shot her self with a service weapon (I guess) Wake up Army and have some compassion for your own.

Drop 20 Fire for Effect.

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It is a pathetic show of your military at its worst.

TDR AUST: Thanks for your link to the Washington Post Article. Your use of the word "pathetic" is too kind. I would use the word CRIMINAL to describe the pursuit of a Court-Martial. How in the World did the Army ever get to this point? Are our Veterans just a Piece of Meat to be thrown to the Lions when they are no longer useful?...It sure would appear so! Some more heads need to role and some careers ended, and I'm not talking about the Lieutenant!

Thank cleaneduphippy for the link, he posted it yesterday. I only managed to get it opened today and read it.

This whole thing stinks. Something is way wrong here. Wrong wrong wrong. This soldier needs help...badly

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Originally posted by stewamart:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157386,00.html

Something in this article doesn't sound right? Why would the Army, and by extension Walter Reed Army Medical Center, risk another round of negative publicity. Considering all the recent articles about PTSD, psychological problems, and a growing suicide rate among returning Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans...Pursuing a possible Court-Martial of this individual doesn't seem to make any sense at all!

Never let it be said that the US Army would purposely try to make itself look good. They sure haven't in this case!

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Originally posted by GMAN0691:
This is another example of how the Army treats it's soldiers. I know because I was one for 30 years. Now I have a son in the Army. He got back from Iraq with PTSD, and where do they send him,,Recruiting duty. No soldier after coming back from a combat zone should be sent to a high stress job, like recruiting or drill status.
The Army doesn't care one way or the other for its soldiers. After they have all they can get from you, they either want you to just go away or die so they don't have to deal with you anymore.
After all the problems they had at Walter Reed, you would think that they would not be trying to Court Martial this soldier. I guess they figure it is cheaper to Court Martial her than treat her. No wonder they are having a difficult meeting their recruiting goal.
Something needs to be done to make sure this doesn't happen but who do you go to, the law makers are only worried about re-election.

Not only is recruiting duty a high-stress job, if your son has PTSD, how is he going to effectively sell the Army to potential recruits anyway? Someone went overboard in making a stupid decision on that one. Sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose...

I dont believe what I read first we send them away to fight and maybe get kill for their flag believe,they come and come back several times ,they leave behind their world made up already to fight for their flagthen they come back with many problems,injured in the field ,with some degre of ptsd, to find their self alone im a new cement war with their own flag this time left them with out mental help ,almost homeless losing their job,home marriage ,children and entired life that put more strees in their mind on top of what they have , finding no solutions to their problems since thay closed doors on their faces and dont care about the individual , and on top having maybe some other personal problems we are going to put them behind bars this is out of this galaxy,war is not only to get money for the front of war is to help them when they come backhelp them mentaly ,espiritual and $ ,since is the starte of all problems getting money for war but also get money for the soldier that put their life in the line of fire and in the mean time we seat at a office ,home or in pleasure help them dont distroy them more than what you did war has two spending values $,and human life who is more inportant to us,simple if we put GOOD IN A DOLLAR BILL BUT WE TAKE OUT THE COMANDMENTS OUT OF A FRONT OF A COURT HOUSE WE ARE FORGETTING WHAT WE AMERICA STANDS FOR WE FORGET THE PEOPLE WE FORGET OUR IMAGE THAT WE HAVELOST KEEP AMERICA AS THE LAND OF THE FRRE ,THE RED WHITE AND BLUE BUT MANTAINED THE VALUES OUR FATHERS LEFT US Good Bless

"At The charges: attempting suicide and endangering the life of another soldier while serving in Iraq."

Where in the article is there any mention of another soldier being endangered?

"But Whiteside's superiors considered her mental illness "an excuse" for criminal conduct, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post."

And when/where did her superiors recieve their medical/psychiatric training upon which they based their diagnosis?

"I'm not here to play legal games," Col. George Brandt said angrily, according to a recording of the hearing. "I am here out of the genuine concern for a human being that's breaking and that is broken. She has a severe and significant illness. Let's treat her as a human being."

Good for you.

"Elizabeth Whiteside almost accepted the Army's offer to resign in lieu of court-martial. But it meant she would have to explain for the rest of her life why she was not given an honorable discharge. Her attorney also believed she would have been left without the medical care and benefits. No decision has yet been made on whether Whiteside's case will proceed to court-martial."

Well,....... they've kind of got you there, I dont really think that an honorable discharge is appropriate given the fact that she tried to kill herself.

I feel that she should receive care and then be discharged with an other than honorable, going through the CM could result in much worse punitive action.

She doesnt want to explain for the rest of her life why she was not given an honorable discharge, OK. How's about running the risk of explaining for the rest of her life for receiving a dishonorable discharge and having done 2 years of federal prison time?

I'm sorry for the pain that caused her break and for her having suffered such desperation that she felt her only solution was to take her own life.

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Originally posted by stewamart:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157386,00.html

Something in this article doesn't sound right? Why would the Army, and by extension Walter Reed Army Medical Center, risk another round of negative publicity. Considering all the recent articles about PTSD, psychological problems, and a growing suicide rate among returning Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans...Pursuing a possible Court-Martial of this individual doesn't seem to make any sense at all!

I also agree with you. This sounds like something didn't make it into the article. I had a guy in my unit threaten sucide after 911 and he wasn't brought to court-martial. He was refered to mental-health for eval. The whole story stinks like smelly fish!