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I guess it is out of the question to ask our "friends" the Russians to lend NATO some troops and helicopters for a return engagement in Astan.
 
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Since they aren't members of NATO, they won't be sending any copters, or anything else.

Besides, that'll be the day when GWBush or any other President asks the Russians to help bail out NATO, or us.

I mean, seriously.
 
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naw dont need russia now maybe france if they wanted to help out they should be allowed to.... but russia is a bad choice to be brought in .... still some bad juice there....
 
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Since they aren't members of NATO, they won't be sending any copters, or anything else.

Besides, that'll be the day when GWBush or any other President asks the Russians to help bail out NATO, or us.

I mean, seriously.


WG that was tongue in cheek considering their last disasterous foray into the country. Well aware their not NATO members or supporters.
 
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Since they aren't members of NATO, they won't be sending any copters, or anything else.

Besides, that'll be the day when GWBush or any other President asks the Russians to help bail out NATO, or us.

I mean, seriously.


WG that was tongue in cheek considering their last disasterous foray into the country. Well aware their not NATO members or supporters.


Ah... gotcha.

But isn't one of the reasons why Putin has balked at us (and gotten into bed with Iran) is because we won't allow them into NATO, but we have allowed most of their neighbors in?
 
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Won't the Marines be there shortly? Smile
 
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The Marines were putting their foot down to be transfered to Afghanistan, LET 'EM GO!
Respectfully, SUNLINER81
 
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naw dont need russia now maybe france if they wanted to help out they should be allowed to.... but russia is a bad choice to be brought in .... still some bad juice there....


France and Germany are already been there for sometime. Also most of the former USSR Countries are there also.
Check out NATO Forces in A-Stan for a list of countries that are there. I do believe these countries could send more if they wanted to. Smile
 
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"Brigadier General Vincent Lafontaine, the chief of planning for the International Security Assistance Force deployed here under a UN mandate.
Lafontaine said as a result, top-level NATO officials were now mulling the possibility of outsourcing logistics tasks to private helicopter companies. "

So now is the time when we need a PMC with a sh*t load of sh*t-hooks ( all puns intended)

Hey Columbia Helicopters are you reading this ?
www.colheli.com

They are currently operating seven 234s)Civilian Ch-47's

A commercial model of the Chinook, the Boeing-Vertol Model 234.
As of December 15, 2006 Columbia Helicopters, Inc of Aurora, Oregon has purchased the Type certificate of the Model 234 from Boeing. Currently the company is seeking FAA issuance of a Production Certificate to produce parts with eventual issuance of a PC to produce aircraft.
 
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After two very recent tours in Afghanistan I really think it is a matter of getting the Afghan Security Forces more directly involved in border security number one; and effectively engaging in the cross border chases in the opposing direction - into Pakistan - as necessary, number two. There is a similarity there with the Ho Chih Minh Trail through Cambodia and Laos, and as long as that 'insurgent' support pipeline exists there will be Taliban fighters moving into the area and returning to sanctuary in the N & S Waziristan and the NW Tribal Areas.

AF bomber's may have pushed the Serbians back in Kosovo, Albania and Montengro but, they never worked in SE Asia and there is no indication that they would work in SW Asia either.

Troops on the gorund, whether they are Afghan or U. S. or, U. S. backed coalition/NATO forces will probably need to hold that ground along with the Pakistani's themselves. The counterinsurgency effort in that nuclear powered 3rd World country to provide the security maybe a missing piece to this puzzle.
 
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You could put a million troops into Afghanistan and it would still not be secure. Until the Afghani's are historically ready to do something meaningful with their country, all the troops in the world cannot help them. Ditto in Iraq.

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You could put a million troops into Afghanistan and it would still not be secure. Until the Afghani's are historically ready to do something meaningful with their country, all the troops in the world cannot help them. Ditto in Iraq.

S/F Gordon


That just about says it all... Until we understand that, its simply a case of shovelin shi* aginst the tide.
All the long drawn out arguements and explinations in the world ain't gonna change the fact.
 
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Not enough doodz? KTHX, I'll just file that over here under "No Sh*t". Roll Eyes
 
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{Says a French General} That pretty much sums it up.
 
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You could put a million troops into Afghanistan and it would still not be secure. Until the Afghani's are historically ready to do something meaningful with their country, all the troops in the world cannot help them. Ditto in Iraq.

S/F Gordon


They were just talking about that on the news. This newsman was interviewing Iraqi Sunni's about how their living conditions are better since Al Quaida has left. But they also stated that they did not trust the Iraqi Security Guard or the Government. The newsman asked them who they would be fighting once the American's left - and they said their Government (basically the Shiite's)since they were involved with Iran. Great huh? Already planning their next battle.
 
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It burns me to the bone how these other countries feel the war in Afghanistan is unpopular because they have lost some 210 personnel. What do they think war is, a Sunday afternoon tea party? As far as increasing the number of troops to secure the borders, that wouldn't hurt. But, I sure hope it comes from the other NATO countries.
 
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The countries that have yet to contribute to the NATO mission in A'stan are the very same ones that will be crying foul when terrorism is knocking at their door! There are many nations that contribute to the logistical support of the ISAF mission, yet the number of them actually commiting fighting forces can be counted in abysmally low numbers.
 
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Not enough doodz? KTHX, I'll just file that over here under "No Sh*t". Roll Eyes


Hey Courtjester,
On yesterdays post you commented on something that I didn't even say. Just try commenting on what I do say. Don't read more into what I have posted. First off, you don't know me and second you never will. You have done this before and it shows how little you really know about the military.
 
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I have a hunch, and that's all it is, that al Qaeda is regrouping in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan to get back to the core business, which is to attack Europe and the US. The evidence is their leadership has consolidating in these mountains. In Iraq, al Qaeda has had to move the fight north because we have pushed them out of Baghdad and the south. In both Irq and Afghanistan, al Qaeda has not been able to move its insurgencies up the ladder. So, al Qaeda might have concluded that it's not worth it fighting in those places, tho terrorism there remains good, and instead concentrate on the real objective, the US and Europe. Just a hunch.
 
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