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OOOPS!

sad

dont worry pop will be here soon.

It seems the US received false information from sources, but maybe these people were also terrorists, it is hard to tell. I don't think the US should be blamed for this incident because it was false information from someone else. Maybe they were road workers planting bombs into the roads, that we don't know either.

Wonder what the "terrorist press" says when they bomb the wrong target?

"today in New York, a Lone soldier from the Taliban provinces bombed a building full of Civilians , killing 1132 and maiming 15,000 including one suspected CIA agent.
Sources in the organization insist that Bob smith, a US government worker was supposed to be alone in the building but at midday things got "weird".

the smart bomb used in the attack apparently stopped at McDonalds for a number one meal and, while sipping on his McFlurry, he strolled into the foyer and accidentally tripped the detonator.

US Government officials are calling it a terrorist strike, but Taliban officials refuse to comment.
Speaking under cover of a Palestinian flag, a source claimed that officials danced and cheered at the results of the bombing and praised Allah for ridding the world of yet another American secret agent.

LMAO AT THE MCFLURRY LINE!
That was an awesome post.
BTW, bad intel will always garner something like this, thank you Military dot Com for going liberal.

Making friends our way.

Given the terrain & who we are fighting sad things like this will happen. Cold comfort for the relatives, but maybe people will step forward to give info in order to avoid this in the future.

It is sad that in today’s ability to dot the “i” with precision weapons that are directed by lazar’s targeting it begs for an explanation and opens the door for many questions to be answered. As mentioned in other comments, we don’t know if these workers had a double agenda they were working. It is hard to tell the good guy’s from the bad ones there. Let’s not be quick to judge until all the facts are known. Anytime there is death it is sad regardless if justified. So often public opinion is based solely on what is offered by the media which is so biased it is hard to read let alone believe. I feel sure this will be investigated to their best ability and with luck, the real story will be known. Until then, a wait and see take must prevail.

No doubt our military officials will get to the bottom of it pretty damn quickly. The only thing is...civilians will not likely get the whole story. Civilians include our press, the world press and anyone else who does not wear a U.S. military uniform. Always be terribly pessimistic when reading about military actions from a member of the press. Always.

A hard look at how we are conducting airstikes should be made. This was probably Type II CAS and that could mean that the JTAC controller was not physically on site with his/her eyes on the target and the aircraft performing the drop. If this was a mistake it will be a very costly one. Everytime we kill innocent civilians we take 10 steps backwards and give the Taliban leverage in thier resistance to democratic society.

We are not fighting a military with uniforms. Besides it's a war. People get killed.

I am amazed at the sanguine attitude of the posters when we kill innocents. What do I think?..It happens much too often.There is something wrong,couldnt we try harder to correct it?

"There was an airstrike by coalition forces but later we found out that 12 people, all local road workers, were killed. The road workers were in a tent which was hit by one bomb. All died,"


Look's like somebody saw a target of opportunity and took it, safety and intel be damned. Ask yourself, why would a tent be in the middle of nowhere? I don't think even the bad guys are that stupid. Did anybody bother to check before the release of weapons? either way it,s on record. I hear a lot people say that we are at "war", well guess what, we are not at "war", why? because the President don't have the authority nor the power to declare war, only Congress can do that. When this whole thing started, the Repubs were in control of Congress and they did not declare "war". Whats the problem? can't these pilots hit the right target? It's been said that "theres nothing more dangerous than a well trained Soldier with a weapon" Whoever said that were wrong, "There nothing more dangerous than a pilot flying around in a jet with bombs not knowing friend from foe."

"Identify the target before you shoot"

Ooops

funny how the US seems to care less about our troops that get killed there but make a big stink about some Afgany civvies getting taken out. This war's ideals and direction are COMPLETELY backwards. WWII vets would be ashamed on how this modern war is being fought, compared to there "blast em, let em rebuild it themselves" way of fighting.
A question you hear often is how is the progress in Iraq going? WHO CARES! Let THEM deal with it, the militaries job is not to be diplomats.

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Originally posted by wtpworrier:
"There was an airstrike by coalition forces but later we found out that 12 people, all local road workers, were killed. The road workers were in a tent which was hit by one bomb. All died,"


Look's like somebody saw a target of opportunity and took it, safety and intel be damned. Ask yourself, why would a tent be in the middle of nowhere? I don't think even the bad guys are that stupid. Did anybody bother to check before the release of weapons? either way it,s on record. I hear a lot people say that we are at "war", well guess what, we are not at "war", why? because the President don't have the authority nor the power to declare war, only Congress can do that. When this whole thing started, the Repubs were in control of Congress and they did not declare "war". Whats the problem? can't these pilots hit the right target? It's been said that "theres nothing more dangerous than a well trained Soldier with a weapon" Whoever said that were wrong, "There nothing more dangerous than a pilot flying around in a jet with bombs not knowing friend from foe."

"Identify the target before you shoot"

What with "signing statements" and "executive orders," I would not be surprised if one of the latter exists concerning this president's authority to declare war. Nothing has stopped presidents from going to war and invading countries without first declaring war on them. Did we ever actually declare war on Panama or Grenada?

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Originally posted by wdion:
It seems the US received false information from sources, but maybe these people were also terrorists, it is hard to tell. I don't think the US should be blamed for this incident because it was false information from someone else. Maybe they were road workers planting bombs into the roads, that we don't know either.

False information for sources, could it be the sources got their information from someone connected to the Taliban?

Think about it. We hit exactly what we were shooting at. Dam good shootin'- no collateral damage and intel was good. That fella yammering his mouth about picking up parts and bagging it will always be yapping at anything our Country does. We're at a point in this war where the bad guys will always try to get us to kill civilians so they can say "Look! The USA is Bad" even kill their own civilians and put the blame on us. I say keep improving our guy's ability and expertise to wage war so the innocent may make it out alive. JMHO

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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,157126,00.html

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When I seen this headline in my email this morning I also looked to see who put this "America bad" story out, of course it was the "AP"

Here is the true account of what happened!

Pentagon Official: Afghanistan Air Strike Hit Legitimate Targets
Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:09:00 -0600

Pentagon Official: Afghanistan Air Strike Hit Legitimate Targets
By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, Nov. 28, 2007 - An air strike earlier this week in eastern Afghanistan was based on credible intelligence from multiple sources and by all indications struck its intended targets, the Pentagon's press secretary told reporters today.
NATO International Security Assistance Force troops used precision-guided munitions in the late Nov. 26 air strike in the mountainous Nuristan province, killing several insurgents, Geoff Morrell said during a Pentagon briefing. Abdullah Jan, the western Nuristan Taliban commander, is believed to be among those killed.

Morrell dismissed press reports that the attack had mistakenly killed civilian construction workers. He noted that the closest known construction site was a kilometer away from the target area and that no structures, vehicles or other construction equipment were anywhere near the impact area.

"We deem it at this point a legitimate air strike," Morrell said. He cited reports from ISAF and U.S. commanders in Afghanistan. "They had a legitimate target, they had multiple credible sources, and they believe they got their target," he said. "And at this point, there is no indication to believe there were the civilian casualties as are being described."

Morrell emphasized that the United States and its coalition partners never target civilians in their operations, but noted that "the Taliban most certainly does." Taliban fighters "most certainly put civilians in harm's way, use civilians as human shields (and) launch attacks from the midst of civilians," he said. "And they often, in the aftermath of a legitimate operation like this one, raise this issue of civilian casualties," he said.

"We have no indication at this time that there were anything other than legitimate targets killed in this operation," he said.

Related Sites:
NATO International Security Assistance Force
Combined Joint Task Force 82

The "AP" rarely tells truthful or full accounts. It looks to be some at that news org. has an agenda that seems to be more important to them than the truth