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This shift north is proof that the surge is having a positive impact. The surge along with allying with local tribes have taken away long held safe havens used by AQ. This shift presents an opportunity to take the fight to AQ before they get established by following the model that has rendered great success in the other provinces.It has taken a long time to get the positive reslults we have been hoping for. This is a positive development.
BTW: Are these little green underlines annoying any one else? Regards, EEF |
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& Further proof that we're another dozen light years away from the reason for invading Iraq. & What sort of positive impact does the surge have on dead & wounded? The little green underlines are lots less annoying than false optimism. |
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Whats interesting is the lack of comment on this report and the strategy involved. If they all move to the North when there's focus on the south. With still only so many troops, won't we just chase em back to the south again??
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Whac-A-Mole
“Once the game starts, the moles will begin to pop up from their holes at random. The object of the game is to force the individual moles back into their holes by hitting them directly on the head with the mallet, thereby adding to the player's score. If the player does not strike a mole within a certain time or with enough force, it will eventually sink back into its hole with no score. Although gameplay starts out slow enough for most people to hit all of the moles that rise, it gradually increases in speed, with each mole spending less time above the hole and with more moles outside of their holes at the same time. After a designated time limit, the game ends, regardless of the skill of the player.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whac-A-Mole Since there are six or more holes with moles and the player has only two whackers, at most, the moles will never stop popping up. Also, the moles have an endless supply of replacements. |
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Pull out and Nuke all the ragheads.
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EVERY time the US has put enough force in an area the insurgents and terrorist have shifted elsewhere and violence has gone down. When the forces were removed they came back. I hope that does not happen in the areas affected by the surge but with the surge forces starting to be pulled back on schedule (and given current Combat and MP unit availablity they can NOT remain much longer) it might. The problem is the same as it has been since the start. According to SOP a population the size of Iraq's requires an occupation force level of at least 300,000 and even with the surge it has never approached that size. To win using the original definition of winning (not a face saving definition such as violence is down we've won) needs: * a MUCH larger force in Iraq, * an increase in the active duty Combat and MP force to maintain that force level for at least 8-10 years * Measureable and implementable goals (both to allow tracking of progress and to reduce politcal grandstanding) IMO the current admin lost the chance to implement this with its constant claim that the current force was large enough and that nothing needed to be done because the insurgents had already been beat. These FALSE claims caused the admin to lose the support of the American people and without that support it will be impossible to put in the forces required to control the population. |
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Hey, i like your mole theory xerello. It makes perfect sense if you ask me. |
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Had the pencil-pushing-pin-head-liberals hadn't bucked the Bush Administration and the liberal press hadn't bad mouthed our president we may have had that surge sooner and this war against the insurgency in Iraq may have been declared a victory by now. The war against Sadaams regime was declared a victory in a fair amount of time with a significant fighting force. But, as in every war you have the homefolks start bellyaching about how we need to end this atrocity and bring our troops home. Then the media and politicians hop on the bandwagon and you have a fanfare of freaks running about wanting peace and love without a thought of what it costs. I sure hope that people start to see the reality of this war and what has truly been accomplished, at least for the men and women who gave the ultimate sacrifice. We owe THEM that.
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Amen to rkgtactical. I am also getting tired of the super-pessimistic view of the combined Liberal politicians/media/American people. Pulling out of Iraq would be more catastrophic than staying there. If America pulls out of Iraq than the AQ will have a huge morale boost, great recruitment material, and because of this what little army Iraq has will easily fall to AQ.
Also I would like to comment on the "Whac-A-Mole" posting by xerello. The analogy is very true to the situation in Iraq, we may stop AQ one place but they can easily resurface somewhere else, but xerello's quote that "the moles have an endless supply of replacements" was true for Vietnam but quite the contrary in Iraq. Because of some atrocities commited to the Vietnamese people the NVA had an endless amount of popularity therefore an enourmous supply of people to count on. In Iraq, yes there has been a few isolated incidents with soldiers or contractors killing civilians in cold blood, but those can't even compare to Vietnam. Therefore I have concluded that because America has not proven itself an enemy of the people of Iraq, and AQ has, our enemy has become Iraq's enemy. AQ and the Taliban have been having a shortage of terrorist volunteers and their terrorist acts sure are not helping them out, the aQ will lose more support and, maybe slowly, America will have a victory in Iraq. |
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Where is your proof? The Iraqi people are sick of Al-Qada. They may move to another area but that does not mean they will be supported. |
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Shifting North.....LOLOL They should fly South like the rest the bird brains.  |
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The surge is indeed showing positive results. As these rabid vermin are methodically pressed to an ever smaller area of operation; they will inevitably pop up like the toxic whitehead on a pimple to be expunged. Its a messy job, but the only way. In order for this squeezing to succeed in the end, is to make as sure as possible that they cannot return to the areas cleansed....May the Good Lord continue to bless, protect, & make successful these missions that our troops must engage in in order to cleanse these areas from further evildoers...Amen....
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Looks like they are on the run.
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---------------------- LOL. Good one! |
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Specifically, what has been accomplished after five years of combat resulting in 3,868 GIs dead, 27,000 wounded of which perhaps 13,000 are seriously wounded. In addition, the war in Iraq has cost over $700,000 billion of BORROWED MONEY to date. Estimates are the war will eventually exceed a cost of $1 trillion of BORROWED MONEY. US ground forces have been stretched to a near breaking point and billions of dollars worth of their equipment has been destroyed or worn out sooner than expected due to extended use in the sandbox. Lieutenant General Ray Odierno, Commander of Multinational Corps - Iraq - reported last week the U.S. military forces have completed their mission providing security for Iraq but because the Iraqi government has yet to form a government of reconciliation, it may be necessary to rethink our strategy if the situation has not improved by summer 2008! US ground forces after nearly five years of combat literally holding the fort to give the Iraqis security and time to form a government of reconciliation are on a fool's errand. It is never going to happen simply because of centuries of animus existing between tribal factions in Iraq. Prominent Iraqi officials have publicly stated as much. US commanders in Iraq and SECDEF Gates are on record expressing concern about Iraqi officials dilatory progress in forming a government of reconciliation, and unless one is developed the military mission will have accomplished nothing. So what's your guesstement of when a government will be established and how much longer should US forces hang around waiting for it to happen? |
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Here's something to think about.
The goal was to get the Iraqi national govt. up and running so as to provide an avenue political for reconciliation from the top down. However, what has r-e-a-l-l-y happened due to the surge and General Petraeus's plan, is that the Iraqis at the local level have been reconciling and rebuilding w/o waiting for the big boys to show them how. Hence, the Iraqis have a national govt. just like ours: completely dysfunctional at the top (Baghdad and D.C.) and they have taken matters into their own hands at the local and tribal level, and are getting along just fine w/o help from their supposed leaders. I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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I'm just glad to hear that the situation in Iraq is improving. I'm sure that there are plenty of military.com members that will be angered by me saying that. It seems that there are a lot of folks that do not want to hear anything positive about Iraq. They would rather see dead troop reports and how we are failing in Iraq.
I hope this is the turning point toward success. |
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Re-read my post for a better understanding. I have no clear idea of when it will end. If I were God< I'd know, but I'm not. I said, that IF, did you read, IF the president had had the troop strength earlier, then this may have been over sooner. |
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Oh, I wasn't aware that Sgt. Schaeffers Mom was a Diplomat to Iraq. |
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