RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,156220,00.html

Every month seems to be a different story. The services not reaching goals/services meeting goals. Which is it? I know the numbers will vary, but these articles just seem to be filler on slow news days.

I was wondering if they met thier goals because they have been told to draw down thier numbers so much. But you are right 67NOV slow news days draw out these stories.

Why is it even an issue if the services are reducing their overall numbers. Oh yeah, just like in the corporate world, bring in new less expensive employees and RIF the more experienced, higher paid, employees. They will tell us what they want us to hear and let us decide what is the truth and what is not.

I think I know that Marine in the picture. He was my Plt Sgt at Lejeune.

REMEMBER THIS POST WHEN THE 'OTHER' NEWS about quotas starts LEAKING OUT.

If they are metting their goals, then that means that most people in America support what we are fighting for over there. There is no draft, so the people who enlist in a time of war, are doing so with the full understanding of what they are going in for.

Dont we have a thread going on DoD lowering recruitment standards?Good job making that quota people!Yeah, we have no shortage of people who support the effort.

They should drop the standard and let all who want to serve do so. The military could do a lot of good for a lot of people. Just because someone screwed up in their younger years and dropped out of high school or got thrown in jail doesn't mean they can not change and do well in the military.

I'm quite sure the children of the well to do are joining by the droves this month.

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Originally posted by qsam6:
They should drop the standard and let all who want to serve do so. The military could do a lot of good for a lot of people. Just because someone screwed up in their younger years and dropped out of high school or got thrown in jail doesn't mean they can not change and do well in the military.

The beauty of having the draft back in my day was in having a barracks full of guys in basic from every economic/social class, and every walk of life each being molded into a soldier in 8 weeks by a bad-*** drill instructor. Then hanging out with these guys on 3 day passes and comparing what life was like growing up. Now you can rest assured that the vast majority are poor to middle class kids joining, with the upper middle to upper class kids getting a free pass out of the military forever. To bad, the draft was a very-very good thing for America. It was the great equalizer and it gave each of us an appreciation of the class structure in America.

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Originally posted by KillToSave:
If they are metting their goals, then that means that most people in America support what we are fighting for over there.

I highly doubt that...just look at some of the polls showing over 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq.

USAREC is good at fudging recruiting numbers or lowering their goals so it looks as though they made their mission for the year.

I'd like to know what the real enlistment numbers would be if they weren't dangling $40,000 enlistment bonuses in front of these kid's faces.

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Originally posted by rocketman69:

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Originally posted by KillToSave:
If they are metting their goals, then that means that most people in America support what we are fighting for over there.

I highly doubt that...just look at some of the polls showing over 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq.

USAREC is good at fudging recruiting numbers or lowering their goals so it looks as though they made their mission for the year.

I'd like to know what the real enlistment numbers would be if they weren't dangling $40,000 enlistment bonuses in front of these kid's faces.

The Same.....

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Originally posted by KillToSave:
If they are metting their goals, then that means that most people in America support what we are fighting for over there. There is no draft, so the people who enlist in a time of war, are doing so with the full understanding of what they are going in for.

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"The best October we've ever had -- that's what the folks with all the numbers tell me," said Randy Noller, a spokesman for the Air Guard. He attributed the turnaround to more money gone into recruiting bonuses and a special program that puts up to $2,000 into the pockets of Ai Guard members who recruit someone.

Money talks BS walks LOL.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

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Originally posted by qsam6:
They should drop the standard and let all who want to serve do so. The military could do a lot of good for a lot of people. Just because someone screwed up in their younger years and dropped out of high school or got thrown in jail doesn't mean they can not change and do well in the military.

The beauty of having the draft back in my day was in having a barracks full of guys in basic from every economic/social class, and every walk of life each being molded into a soldier in 8 weeks by a bad-*** drill instructor. Then hanging out with these guys on 3 day passes and comparing what life was like growing up. Now you can rest assured that the vast majority are poor to middle class kids joining, with the upper middle to upper class kids getting a free pass out of the military forever. To bad, the draft was a very-very good thing for America. It was the great equalizer and it gave each of us an appreciation of the class structure in America.

First of all the military is not a social experiment for liberals. It is the MILITARY!

Secondly the vast majority of people who join are from middle to upper class backgrounds!

Not to say that all Blacks are poor, but often times they get associated with being poor. Only 14% of the Military currently is Black, and only 5% are in Iraq. So if only poor kids are joining than why is the percentage of African Americans in the military so low.

Another thing, this article is not news at all. Go to this link http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/07recruiting.htm and you will see that with the exception of the Army in 2005 all active duty branches have met their goals. The Army only missed its goal in '05 because they over extended themselves.

If you say the numbers are only because of bonuses, then I ask you how many under achieveing kids would go to college if it wasn't for athletic scholarships, or minority scholoarships?

Why is it that colleges can talk to a child in middle school, but the military can't even speak to a young adult until they are seniors in high school if they are even aloud in that school!?

Very good job to the recuriters.

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Originally posted by rocketman69:

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Originally posted by KillToSave:
If they are metting their goals, then that means that most people in America support what we are fighting for over there.

I highly doubt that...just look at some of the polls showing over 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq.

USAREC is good at fudging recruiting numbers or lowering their goals so it looks as though they made their mission for the year.

I'd like to know what the real enlistment numbers would be if they weren't dangling $40,000 enlistment bonuses in front of these kid's faces.

Just becuase they offer $40 grand doesn't mean everyone qualifies. The military offers higher bonuses for jobs that have low enlistment rates or reenlistment rates. i.e. N.B.C. Than if that young man or woman want to enlist into that job he or she must have to pass the ASVAB and all the training involved before they receive it.

In my Marine Corps to do a lat move into CI you get a $60 grand bonus, but you have to have been in for at least one enlistment, and pass vigorous tests to get it. Most people if they even get in, get out after their tour because the civilian side of that MOS offers a hell of a lot more. So the military has to compete often times with the private sector. i.e. Colleges!

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Originally posted by 15702497:

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Originally posted by rocketman69:

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Originally posted by KillToSave:
If they are metting their goals, then that means that most people in America support what we are fighting for over there.

I highly doubt that...just look at some of the polls showing over 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq.

USAREC is good at fudging recruiting numbers or lowering their goals so it looks as though they made their mission for the year.

I'd like to know what the real enlistment numbers would be if they weren't dangling $40,000 enlistment bonuses in front of these kid's faces.

The Same.....

The same too... Also, more people is joining to military because of the president's promise of stopping sending more soldiers to the war.

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Originally posted by rm444:
Dont we have a thread going on DoD lowering recruitment standards?Good job making that quota people!Yeah, we have no shortage of people who support the effort.

Hey, I have seen some of the lowest ASVAB-scoring deck seamen become some of the best sailors (usually BMs). But, never underestimate those of lower intelligence. They can still be determined, motivated and get the job done. Have you ever heard of retard strength? I have seen it on my ship. It exists.

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Also, more people is joining to military because of the president's promise of stopping sending more soldiers to the war.

I seem to remember a promise of "bin Laden...dead or alive."

I guess if you can't find a mass murderer and enemy of the USA after x amount of time, you just ignore him. And yeah, I know the TF group is hunting him, but just imagine if the manpower and resources in Iraq could focus on him...

And it's beating a really dead horse, but there is obviously a difference between recruitment "goals" and recruitment needs. Those "goals" aren't doing jack for the soldiers stop-lossed and IRR recalled. Stop-loss and IRR recall are hardly "hey you" 24-hour impromptu duties you just suck up and drive on.

Sgt. Joseph M. Vanek, 22, 82nd Airborne Division died from insurgents' small-arms fire on his third tour in Iraq on Monday, November 12th, 2007. Vanek enlisted out of high school in July 2003 and had completed his four-year enlistment but was kept in the Army as part of the Army's stop-loss program, his father Frank Vanek said. Rest in Peace, Airborne.