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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,156111,00.html
This is good news...now let's see if the ISF can maintain this great success. "Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne |
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Yes I see so clearly now. Last month Iraq was in the worst condition since the beginning of this lunatic war started. This month EVERYTHING IS JUST FINE, and we are winning! Got it. Whew, I was beginning to think we would lose this war, when even our top general's were telling us this was a lost effort. But, now that we are finally winning THIS WAR, so I can sleep well at night knowing "our team" is kicking butt. Whew.
Amazing how that story made an about face, a total 180 degree turn in less then 30 days. Boy did we have it wrong. I said 5 years ago, all we needed to do to win this war was to pull the troops out, propagandise the FACT THAT WE WON, and just come home. Sure took this government long enough to figure that one out! I guess that stands to reason when you only have a 90 IQ, 3 DUI's coupled with drug addiction, cocaine use at Camp David, desertion and failed at every business you've managed your entire lifetime!  Take NOTE, I didn't say one negative word about any individual in our government, perhaps I was speaking "collectively" who knows.  Do I believe this, not a chance. SEMPER FI BROTHERS |
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Actually, Dan, this has been the case for the past 3-4 months. The surge's success has been in the news for at least 2 months starting with Gen Petraeus' testimony before Congress in September.
Too bad your hatred won't let you see beyond it. "Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne |
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What great success? Sorry Akt, but if there is going to be 'success', stories like this will have to be a thing of the past, not the present:....... Basra closes doors to displaced BASRA, 12 November 2007 (IRIN) - Basra province, 550km south of Baghdad, can no longer accommodate Iraqi families fleeing insecurity, according to local officials. “We cannot cope with any more families seeking refuge in our province, whatever their reasons. The governorate is seriously affected by the high number of displaced families,” a senior official in Basra Governing Council, Hassan Abdul-Kareem, told IRIN on 11 November. “Health services have deteriorated, schools are overcrowded and we aren’t even able to offer a good service to our locals. Things have become worse since the high influx of new arrivals,” Abdul-Kareem said. He added that according to the local council and the Ministry of Displacement and Migration, more than 40 displaced families have been arriving daily in Basra. The increase has led to higher crime rates, deteriorating security and a rise in the number of commercial sex workers. “We cannot try to offer something that isn’t available; we lack resources. We understand the desperation of Iraqi families trying to flee violence but the central government has to take urgent action to better disperse displaced families to other governorates,” he said. “The number of Iraqi families fleeing their homes for safer areas has increased, despite reports that levels of violence have diminished,” said Abdul-Kareem. Dozens of families who arrived in the province on 9 and 10 November were forced to turn back or head to other southern provinces as Basra security stopped them at check points and prevented them from entering Basra city. “When they saw our bags, a police officer stopped us and told me and my seven family members that we had to head back to where we came from because the local council had prohibited the entrance of new arrivals,” Raghib Muhammad, a 43-year-old Baghdad resident seeking refuge in Basra, said. “It was chaotic. We don’t have anywhere to go and have improvised a tent on the outskirts of the province until someone could help us or give us an idea of what to do. We fled the horror of Baghdad with the hope of finding peace here but it seems our problems are just starting,” Muhammad added. Mayada Obeid, [a spokeswoman for the Basra-based South Peace Organisation],said local NGOs have started contacting other southern governing councils, asking for the new arrivals to be accepted in their displacement camps. However, she said the situation was difficult and most provinces had insufficient resources. MORE: www.irinnews.org/Repor...rtId=75255 |
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I guess it just depends on what news source you are looking at:
http://www.newsobserver.com/505/story/760027.html http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/07/iraq.main/ And although I'll concede that there may be extinguating circumstances behind these returns, the fact remains that it IS safer there than it was just 6 months ago...why? Because of the GREAT job our men and women are doing and the success of the surge! "Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne |
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Ah yes, the story of 3,000 families returning to Baghdad. On the face of it, it's a move in the right direction. In truth though, Baghdad has undergone a period of ethnic cleansing right under the noses of the surge troops. What was once a city of approximately an even mix of both Sunni's and Shiite, (50-50)has now become a city of 75% Shiite inhabitants. Ethnic cleansing is NOT a cause to celebrate. The lower violence levels in Baghdad are now in part down to death squads being deprived of targets as the ousted Sunnis form part of the 4 MILLION displaced people within Iraq..... And 4 million is one heck of a slice of a country of only 25 million in total.(Almost one sixth of the entire population) http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/world/middleeast/12ir...ef=world&oref=slogin .... ' Most of the capital’s displaced people have yet to return, and the number of those leaving still outpaces those returning, according to Dana Graber Ladek, the Iraqi displacement specialist for the International Organization for Migration. Over a million Iraqis have fled their homes in the past year and a half, she said, nearly three-quarters of them from Baghdad. And though the Iraqi government is offering one million Iraqi dinars, or roughly $812, to each Baghdad family that returns, she said, only a fraction of residents has done so. ' ................. This seems nearer the truth, that more Iraqis are actually leaving Baghdad than returning. As you say, it depends on what news source you’re reading, but first of all, the numbers you quote aren't that many people, and second of all, are they are the ones being kicked out of Syria during the past month? (Also, the new visa restrictions on Iraqis entering Syria has reduced the number of asylum seekers per month from 20,000 to 600. Since there is no evidence that there is a decline in the Iraqis being displaced from their homes by threats and violence, the 20,000 are likely just being displaced to other places in Iraq instead of going to Syria.) Bob Drefuss at Tomdispatch.com has more on the issue of Iraqis still being displaced.....
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It would seem that some are so unwilling to accept a bit of good news over bad that they must pick apart any signs of progress in order to continue sowing the seeds of pessimism. Where there is war there will be refugees and it is up to the Iraqi government to resolve that issue, not the United States.
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Jim,
Let us hope the news is as good as we are being led to believe...we have all been given good reason to distrust official optimism. Any good news coming out of the Bottomless Pit of Iraq would be a welcome change. |
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Morning Jim, A F-ing men.  |
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Actually, this "lunatic war" has kept the lunatics away from us here in the good old USA. I'm glad they're over there keeping my family safe. As for a 90 IQ, the President has continued to confound his critics since he was elected, and, I expect, he will continue to do so. His strong leadership style in wartime makes him unpopular, so much that there are those who absolutely froth at the mouth when his name is mentioned. That tells me he's doing his job. |
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This is for Squizzer and Dan: So who p*ssed in your Wheaties today? Honestly can you two just give your blessings to our troops and leave it at that.
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WTF!?!?!? We come in, trash the place, kill all kinds of people and invite the every other faction to do the same and now you have the gall to tell them to clean up the mess?!?!? And have you just been unwilling to accept the FIVE YEARS of bad news, always insisting the "evil liberal media" was keeping all that sunshine and good news out? A drop from 1200 Iraqi deaths a month to 800 still effing sucks for the 800 and their families, sport. Not to mention our own guys still getting killed. And what's the post "Surge (TM)" plan? Why, just go back to where we were this time last year, just brilliant. But you keep telling yourself how great it's going.  |
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Highly Experienced Member Old Fart #00 |
The singled-minded rabidity with which some posters here attack our CinC amazes me! Ask yourself, what president that commits troops to war on foreign soil would retain a full measure of popularity with the American people? Whether you like GWB or not, he is doing the best he can with what he's got and my faith in him has yet to waver. I have looked into his face and seen the genuine concern that is there when he visits our wounded warriors. I know that the wounding, maiming and killing of our young men and women weighs heavily upon his conscience. Our armed forces are committed to seeing the Iraq War business through to the end. To pluck them out before the job is finished would not only be a blight on America's moral consciousness, but also a huge step back in the process of bringing peace and prosperity to a nation that cries out for it. Certainly, mistakes have been made in the conduct of this war, but we have learned from them and used the lessons learned to improve the conduct of war and the business or rebuilding Iraq's economic prosperity. To be sure, there will be many that disagree with me, but I will not change my opinion of our President or our mission to assist the Iraqi people.
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Highly Experienced Member Old Fart #00 |
Woooo....I just got told off by a defense contractor? If you had a stake in defending our nation or its interests, I might pay heed. Up yours, "Sport". |
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Of course, why didn't I see it? Of course you are right, I have no stake in this! Please. Since you have only a personal attack to respond with, I will asssume that you have no rebuttal of quality and that you consider my points to be correct. Have a nice day.  |
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Ahhhhhhhh Kona coffee!!
The news is good!!! wait wait wait the news is bad!!!! Typical libturd good news bashing!!!! HA HA HA HA HA BOY THE KONA COFFEE IS REALY GOOD AHHHHHHH |
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I sure hope somebody did their homework. What if the insurgents are simply holding back waiting. Label me paranoid but our intelligence failed us before. Besides, I don't trust the bloody bastards. They have full advantage of surprise and this may occur. I sure hope I'm wrong but the gut feeling gnaws at me everytime I read about the so called lull in Iraq. Lull or not we should continue to put pressure on insurgents until sure we can pull back our forces. I'm a former street wise punk from New York who reached retirement age due to my ability to foresee trouble and react accordingly. God Bless and protect our men in uniform.
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And that is exactly the kind of thinking that led to the current cluster-****. |
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hmmm if you really thought the surge made such a huge impact then perhaps you didnt do any combat ops in Iraq. I highly doubt 30,000 troops were all infantry in all the hot spots. but again, this is how propaganda works. Anyway, I still believe the focus should be only on Afghanistan and to leave Iraq be. I dont see the price of oil or gas going down and our economy and home front needs much more attention than the so-called terrorists we created in this region. Anyway, let me be optimistic and hope this is the sign of good things to come.
SSG Quinones OIF IV Veteran 101st Airborne Division |
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Where are the Carriers? |
Our pal Mooky al-Sadr still has to make his reappearance.Dont leave before the credits roll.
"Thank you, for your support." - Bartles & Jaymes |
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