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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,156040,00.html

Hell of a way to honor the veterans of such a fine nation, as to protest their very efforts. Civil disobedience may be the key to change, but a ceremony honoring soldiers for their sacrifices is NOT the place for it.


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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.
 
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so people can be arrested for this, but not for protesting funerals while screamin god hates you?
 
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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.


I understand how you feel about this issue, however, speaking honestly, on this site, is very hazardous to your long term membership, BECAUSE certain members whine to moderator's and you either get suspended or kicked off the site! It's a better idea to mask your remarks in satire then to be outright cirtical of anyone, let's just say, in the upper level executive branch. In other words, 'Freedom of Speech' on this site is limited to right wing Republican views, the rest of us have to settle for taking a back seat on da bus! That's ok with me because I've learned dipolomatically to get my point acrossed without crossing da line. Big Grin Be dang sure not to let "Linedoggie" read any contrary point of view to the CIC or da administration either! He'll nail you if you do. Wink Finally, to let you know, I don't protest this war, never have never will, I don't protest anything except for certain men that have risen to position's of power that is out of their league! I guess that is known as the Peter Principle, promoted to one level above your abilities to function at! Big Grin That ought to make you smile Linedoggie because I didn't say one thing in that last sentense. LMFAO Cool
 
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being against this and any war is one thing. protesting on veterans day is pathetic. its not about the war its about the people who went through them.
 
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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.

I'm for the war because fighting them in the Middle East keeps pressure on them in a way that makes it harder to have enough fighters to attack here. Just a theory, but it appears to be working.
 
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I'm all for killing terrorists-I'd prefer it be done overseas as opposed to here.
That being said, these veterans weren't being arrested for what they were saying, rather for co-opting someone elses event and failing to disperse.
 
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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.

I'm for the war because fighting them in the Middle East keeps pressure on them in a way that makes it harder to have enough fighters to attack here. Just a theory, but it appears to be working.


Just a second thought on that issue. We use mulit-million dollar planes, computer systems combined with drones, ships, etc., while our enemy, the terriorists, are so poverty stricken most have never owned a pair of shoes, totally uneducated, and never had military training, have been kicking our butts. Not because our troops are weak but because the commanders and those 'in charge' don't know how to fight this enemy on their ground and terms. Having said that, and inasmuch as, no one in Iraq has ever attacked the U.S., which were mostly Saudi's, why or how could you possibly still think they could ever attack us on our turf? They have NEITHER the arms nor the wherewithall to attack us here at home. So, I find your arguement lacking in serious content and therefore void of meaning! In other words, they ain't ever gonna attack us here in this lifetime or in anyother. They have no way to mobilize! And if your for this war, my only question to you is, why would you be for a war that we can never win and even if by some dumb stroke of luck we did, we'd still win ABO****ELY NOTHING. If you think Iraq people will ever pay us back for our support then you better think again, the ones who will pay for this war is our great grand kidlets! My vote is "Against this war" because it is a lose/lose situation! The only possible way to win is NOT to fight!

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If veterans can get arrested for speaking their minds on veterans day, then the people that protest at soldiers funerals holding up signs sayin thank God for dead soldiers, should be arrested and charged for everything imaginable. As much as I disagree with what these few veterans did, you have to remember that they are veterans and they made sacrifices too. They just need to protest somewhere else and not at a veterans day event that was meant to honor veterans, not for protest.
 
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so people can be arrested for this, but not for protesting funerals while screamin god hates you?


Awsome!! I agree 100%, but I heard that a number of that group are LAWYERS, and I'm sure they checked recent supreme court decisions before spewing. Vererans, of all people, should be entitled to protest on Verterans Day (though personally I'd pick another day).
 
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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.


I understand how you feel about this issue, however, speaking honestly, on this site, is very hazardous to your long term membership, BECAUSE certain members whine to moderator's and you either get suspended or kicked off the site! It's a better idea to mask your remarks in satire then to be outright cirtical of anyone, let's just say, in the upper level executive branch.Now we can observe how you bash the Cinc..thanks. In other words, 'Freedom of Speech' on this site is limited to right wing Republican views, the rest of us have to settle for taking a back seat on da bus! That's ok with me because I've learned dipolomatically to get my point acrossed without crossing da line. Big Grin Be dang sure not to let "Linedoggie" read any contrary point of view to the CIC or da administration either! He'll nail you if you do. Wink Finally, to let you know, I don't protest this war, never have never will, I don't protest anything except for certain men that have risen to position's of power that is out of their league!Have Documatation to back that line up? I guess that is known as the Peter Principle, promoted to one level above your abilities to function at! Big Grin That ought to make you smile Linedoggie because I didn't say one thing in that last sentense. We can read between the line on what you mean... LMFAO Cool
 
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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.

I'm for the war because fighting them in the Middle East keeps pressure on them in a way that makes it harder to have enough fighters to attack here. Just a theory, but it appears to be working.


Just a second thought on that issue. We use mulit-million dollar planes, computer systems combined with drones, ships, etc., while our enemy, the terriorists, are so poverty stricken most have never owned a pair of shoes, totally uneducated, and never had military training, have been kicking our butts. Not because our troops are weak but because the commanders and those 'in charge' don't know how to fight this enemy on their ground and terms. Having said that, and inasmuch as, no one in Iraq has ever attacked the U.S., which were mostly Saudi's, why or how could you possibly still think they could ever attack us on our turf? They have NEITHER the arms nor the wherewithall to attack us here at home. So, I find your arguement lacking in serious content and therefore void of meaning! In other words, they ain't ever gonna attack us here in this lifetime or in anyother. They have no way to mobilize! And if your for this war, my only question to you is, why would you be for a war that we can never win and even if by some dumb stroke of luck we did, we'd still win ABO****ELY NOTHING. If you think Iraq people will ever pay us back for our support then you better think again, the ones who will pay for this war is our great grand kidlets! My vote is "Against this war" because it is a lose/lose situation! The only possible way to win is NOT to fight!

SEMPER FI BROTHERS


I won't begin to say that I know a way out of this war, but to my knowledge, we haven't been fighting Iraq for awhile now. We've been fighting in Iraq. The people we have been fighting in Iraq got there somehow, so deduction would lead us to say they travel somehow!
 
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being against this and any war is one thing. protesting on veterans day is pathetic. its not about the war its about the people who went through them.


There is a place and a time for everything, those that call themselves veterans and protest on Veterans Day should consider another day for that purpose. November 11 is a day to honor all veterans that have served our great nation for the freedoms we now enjoy and to make it a better place for future generations. You have the freedom to protest the war but doing it on Veterans Day is dishonoring all veterans of all wars not just those in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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They are just a tad late for protesting the invasion.l

Our enemy that cannot mobilize has extended himself beyond his means then. Consider the damage in America, Indonesia, Philippines, Argentina, England, Kosovo, France, Spain, Morocco, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq, Chechnya, Russia, etc. It's not a army to manuever all over the globe, it's a mindset that encompasses about a third of the people on the planet. The same lack of vision these guys are using to railing against a 4 1/2 year war is the same vision that can lose the same war.
 
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As a veteran myself, I find the responses of anyone that served being against war kind of ridiculous. Unless your a product of the draft, or one of those that chose the military over jail. I personally volunteered and so did two of my sons. The youngest I lost in Iraq this year. I still am pro war. The Iraqi's have every right to be free as you and I do. I know when I served, I served with alot of great men and women and none of them were forced to join.

There is a time and place for every person to sound off. The American Legion received all the necessary permits and should be protected as they were. Those that protest can pull their own permits and run their mouths as they wish on their own time.
 
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In my interpretation of what was printed in the article and about the event;

It seems that the American Legion applied for and was granted a permit by the proper civil authorivity to gather and speech to the attendees regarding honoring and rememberance of America's veterans.

The Veterans for Peace requested of the AL that they be allowed to speak at the event. The AL denied their request, as is their right.

The VfP members refused to leave the podium or disperse when ordered to by the police.

They were arrested. Fine.

This article has nothing to do with who sits in the oval office, it is about 2 groups, one of which wanted to use the others forum to espouse their own ideas and ended up breaking the law in the process.

Guilty, 90 days probation, suspended sentence, that should be good enough.

Do I like what's happening?

Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. No.

9 Trillion in debt. NO.

Billions borrowed from our "enemies" so that we can run the country. No.

Gas prices soaring. No.

Extreme drought in the southeast. No.

What appears to be chest pounding as a prelude to war with Iran. No.

Runaway foreign imports and the loss of American jobs. No.

The devaluation of the American dollar in the global economy. No.

Failing evaluations in our primary and secondary schools. No.

Lack of affordable health care for every American. No.

A failure to secure our borders and control immigration. No.

Am I happy with GWB as my President. No.

Is all of the above HIS fault. No, not in my opinion, but he's not helping either.

Which of the losers out there currently running are we going to replace him with? Most of those people have never done an honest days WORK/SWEAT in their hole lives.

Okay,... John McCain, former Navy pilot and POW..... but can you believe what he said about the improving military situation and safety in Iraq?
 
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As a veteran myself, I find the responses of anyone that served being against war kind of ridiculous. Unless your a product of the draft, or one of those that chose the military over jail. I personally volunteered and so did two of my sons. The youngest I lost in Iraq this year. I still am pro war. The Iraqi's have every right to be free as you and I do. I know when I served, I served with alot of great men and women and none of them were forced to join.

There is a time and place for every person to sound off. The American Legion received all the necessary permits and should be protected as they were. Those that protest can pull their own permits and run their mouths as they wish on their own time.


I am terribly saddened by the news at learing of the loss of your son. I am grateful to him for his service and sacrifice. May god grant him rest and you and your family peace and strength.
 
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Why arn't more vets out against war. We of all people should be out speaking up at any and all places we can, anytime except at grave side.

I'm for the war because fighting them in the Middle East keeps pressure on them in a way that makes it harder to have enough fighters to attack here. Just a theory, but it appears to be working.


Just a second thought on that issue. We use mulit-million dollar planes, computer systems combined with drones, ships, etc., while our enemy, the terriorists, are so poverty stricken most have never owned a pair of shoes, totally uneducated, and never had military training, have been kicking our butts. Not because our troops are weak but because the commanders and those 'in charge' don't know how to fight this enemy on their ground and terms. Having said that, and inasmuch as, no one in Iraq has ever attacked the U.S., which were mostly Saudi's, why or how could you possibly still think they could ever attack us on our turf? They have NEITHER the arms nor the wherewithall to attack us here at home. So, I find your arguement lacking in serious content and therefore void of meaning! In other words, they ain't ever gonna attack us here in this lifetime or in anyother. They have no way to mobilize! And if your for this war, my only question to you is, why would you be for a war that we can never win and even if by some dumb stroke of luck we did, we'd still win ABO****ELY NOTHING. If you think Iraq people will ever pay us back for our support then you better think again, the ones who will pay for this war is our great grand kidlets! My vote is "Against this war" because it is a lose/lose situation! The only possible way to win is NOT to fight!

SEMPER FI BROTHERS


Where do you get the idea that we are getting our butts kicked? We go where we want when we want. Do we sometimes take casualties? Yes, but we still go where we intended. Every time they attack us they pull back a bloody stump.
If you mean that we are getting our butts kicked in the political arena, well that is still a matter open for debate. We will know in 6-12 months when the Iraqis take ownership of the battlespace.

Boatguy may not be as far off as you think. The fighting in Iraq does give the hotheads somewhere relatively convenient to blow themselves up. They only have to travel a couple hundred miles to kill Americans, rather than having to travel half way around the world.
 
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Kerry, who would want that putz pinning a medal on them. I would rather Clinton did it and I can not stand Clinton. Those trators need to turn in their affiliaton with the military, and join that idot lady who moved next to Bush. I understand what they are saying but, not the way they are doing it. Shape up soldier or ship out
 
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