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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,155640,00.html
Once more it makes me wonder why someone's sexual preferences precede over someone's worth as a human being and over the value this flight nurse brought to the Air Force. Especially since she never compromised her fellow service members...Sad stuff!  |
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Until they change the law on this, she has no case to go to court with. Have a good day!~!
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Definitely no case. Depending on exactly when she joined, either Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell applied, or the older, stricter policy applied. Either way, she came in knowing open homosexuality was not accepted in the military.
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OBAY THE RULES OF THE AIR FORCE OR HIT THE ROAD
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It's "obey" you inbreed moron. |
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Bring Her Back!!!
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Hey, genius, the law is don't ASK, don't TELL and from what the testimony states she NEVER told anyone and apparently the military decided to ASK...that means the military violated their own policy! And she never did anything on duty or on any military installation. So they stole her retirement from her after 17 years of service, typical government bulls**t. If they won't let her finish her career they at the least OWE her a retirement for what she has done for the military. Of all escape mechanisms, Death is the most efficient. ~~ H.L. Mencken |
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Actually, she does, chief. The policy of don't ask, don't tell states that so long as the person is not openly gay, then it is against regs to question a person about their sexuality. She was in a relationship off base with a civilian. She never was open about her sexuality and she never declared it. Therefore, the command did not have the authority to question her civilian lover nor to even have initiated the investigation. And to answer the next question, yes, I'm straight. However, I think a travesty of justice had occurred. She should be allowed to serve. This ban is an anacronism and should just be done away with. I've worked with gays and lesbians in the past and truth be told, it was never an issue. The issue was whether the person could do the job and that was all that mattered to me. |
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Why if see is so proud of what she is,did she wait so long to announce her closet door is now open, she should have sounded off right at the first and saved everyone all this useless time and effort,and tieing up of the courts to right an abomination that is just NOT right in any society.........
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And who are you to say what is right and acceptable? What do you have to support such claims? Your beliefs? That is absurd. As Aggie said, she did not disclose this information. She upheld her end of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell bargain. The military had no right to pry this information out of anyone. If anyone should be under fire, it should be these investigators who violated her privacy and ruined her career without reason. |
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At a time when our military is desperate to hang on to good, well-trained, and competent people I can't believe some AF investigator actually decided to ask the question. You're right. I think it's time to dispense with DADT altogether. |
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Maybe she pizzed someone off.If someone knew how she was bent, they might have dropped a dime.Just a thought.
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Unfortunately, as long as it's only an administrative discharge, and not prompted by court martial, rules of evidence do not apply! Even evidence gathered illegally, as this obviously was, is admissible in an administrative discharge. At least it has been so far. Some may recall the experience of LTC (Promotable) Steve Loomis at Ft. Hood in 1996, recipient of two Bronze Stars (one for valor), the Purple heart and four MSMs he was discharged eight days before he was eligible for retirement because an arsonist torched his house to destroy gay pictures of himself. "The local fire chief, William Rippy, had confiscated a videotape found in Loomis' camcorder, thinking it might contain evidence of the arson. It didn't. It was a sexually explicit video of Loomis and other men, which Rippy turned over to the Army." Once that video was discovered to have no bearing on the arson, it should have been returned to LTC Loomis. Rippy had no more right to that video than a common thief would have. The Army had no right accepting the tape, since it was illegally obtained. Unfortunately, that didn't stop the Army from discharging him, essentially without his retirement. This message has been edited. Last edited by: DaleU, |
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Being she did nothing wrong and DID NOT violate the DADT policy she does in fact have a very strong case. I hope she sues the h*** out of the government for this and wins. This could easily be the beginning of the end of DADT as it should be.
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I will be very surprised if she wins. She is going up for an appeal, which is even more difficult to win. As far as should she win? I am certainly no fan of homosexuality, but she by no means violated the DADT policy. Therefore, my vote would be for her to win. Her record was exemplary and she maintained her private life accordingly. The AF investigator had no right questioning her civilian partner. Besides, why did her partner even answer him?
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Yes, I agree. This is an excellent chance to get documented evidence of the military witch hunts in the public eye. One problem, though, will the corporate media give the story the attention that it deserves, or will it just slide into obscurity? |
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Yeah, let's all hope she guts the Air Force for every cent, make them PAY!! This way the Air Force will have to do with old jets (All F-15's are grounded don't you know) for even longer!! And maybe a few more will crash. Maybe this will make the Air Force sorry for what they did Go Maj. Margaret Witt!!! |
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And just to let everyone know, the 9th circuit court of appeals is the most overturned court in the nation. They routinely make crazy rulings...most famous recently was "under god" from the pledge of allegiance.
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woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?? Are you the typo police? correcting grammatical errors is like watching a bird pick at bread crumbs. |
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If you noticed, it was her ex. They broke up in autumn 2003. The AF investigator interviewed her partner sometime in 2004 and Major Witt was notified of the investigation on 4 November 2004. Myself, I wouldn't be surprised to find that it was the ex who originally contacted the AF. |
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