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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,155003,00.html
Of course it is wrong for the government to conduct a religious ceremony. The government conducts an internment. Those present, not of the government, conduct the funeral. If they wish to recite that bit as the flag is folded, why not? It is jsut that the government not recite it, and that it not mandate it. As for the quote from Decatur, we should always include the full quote and not just the jingoisticf " ... my country right or wrong". Perhaps we shoulda lsoinclude this quote: “The peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country -- when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’" Carl Schurz Republican Senator 1869 – 1875 Secretary of the Interior 1877 – 1881 Editor, New York Evening Post 1881 - ? German Immigrant |
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this is just another cave in by the fed gvt! There is no reason NOT to recite this at a funeral, except when the family specifically requests that it not be done. What a shame!
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The recital is the domain of the interned's loved ones who wish to render honors as the Flag is folded. The seperation of Church and State being unpopular but necessary, never an easy subject to open up. The VA can't win on this one, they had to enforce a prohibitive policy that risks offending many.
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I imagine that this is a seperation of church and state issue.
One way to get around this may be to not have anyone representing the government to perform the 14 points, but to have family, friends, funeral home or hired party to perform the flag 14 points ceremony. This way the flag ceremony will not be in violation of the 2nd amendment for separation of church and state. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mike_Flores, |
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 Does the VA get anything right? |
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From the article:
So what does that mean for AD Chaplains? Are they not allowed to mention God during a burial? Sounds like in a misguided attempt to not to offend one person, they've insulted a whole bunch of others. |
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Only Payday and Bouns day. |
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Freekin' jerks!!!
 What a bunch of spineless turds. |
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this is rediculous. by outlawing this they are denying freedom of religion, if the family doesn't want it recited they should be able to request it to not be recited. i thought freedom of religion meant the ability to choose, but apparently virginia wants to take that away from us, why don't they complain about this forum and take way our freedom of speech while they're at it as well.
MM2 Robert Beard USN |
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Well to tell the truth they did get my open heart surgery right. They saved my life twice. I have been getting excellent care from them, so I can't say anything bad about them. |
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I know what you're saying, this is a very gray area in constitutional law. It's always read as freedom to practice religion but at the same time the freedom to not be exposed to it via the government endorcing it. Very confusing. |
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Chaplains are recognized members of the clergy, the ban here is on VA employees reading the points. If the family wants the points read, then they can have someone other than the VA employees present read them. Nobody is saying they can't be read, just that the VA employees can't read it. |
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I agree with DD449 and so does my wife who is also a vet. In fact we WILL have it read at our funerals. My wife will be copying the recitation to our computer where she will be saving it for later.
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What is happening to this nation? We are slowly turning into a Godless one. prayers in school have been banned, the ten commandments have been taken out of the sight of the public, people are trying to take God out of anything that is said (the pledge, off of currency), some even want to take the plege out of schools. This country was founded by God fearing people but look at it today. We need to educate todays people with the rich history of this contry, instead of taking it out of text books because it offends a small amount of people. If you dont like this contry feel free to leave! I serve in the U.S. Military and it is a shame that so many take forgranted of the freedoms they have, When will we stand up to those that want to destroy our contry from whitin? This sickens me to see this happening so often.
-AC2 Howell, Austin M. |
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What is happening is that this country is being kept from becoming a Religious Theocracy of our own
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A technicality. The spokesman specifically says he doesn't think Federal employees should read the points. It's simple, read the points if the deceased or next of kin requests it, otherwise don't. |
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DD, it's the "Separation of Church and State" thing  |
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Let me tell you something, you God hating jerks, You mind telling how in hell you got here, Somebody or thing created everything, We call him GOD, The Muslins call him Allah.
We have a weak bunch of crap heads running this country and it ani't Bush!!! Its you whinning bunch of God hating liberals that you put into office. And by the means of a few ALL have to suffer..that is not right..If you don't like my beliefs, Go somewhere else..Like Iraq or something..and lets see you run your mouths like that.. Thank a Soldier for your freedom, thank them for the right to speak freedly and walk about without hiding your believes. Women Thank a Soldier you are not dress like the women in Afgan or other middle east countries. And are not stone to death for a lie maybe your husband made up just to get rid of you. Or that car you are driving..you know women can't drive in the middle east or vote. And now you bunch of pukes take away a soldiers way of saying goodbye and the honor for his country. You bunch of sorry pieces of crap.. Go ahead and warn me monitor I don't care..the liberals want to ruin this country, take God away, the way a soldier fights and everything America stands for... Enough is enough...When are the people of America, the ones that care for it, are going to take a stand and say, enough is enough, before its to late.. |
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Who said we don't have a few religious extremists of our own here in the USA?
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