RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,153102,00.html

My goodness. Does this mean our troops will have to pick up the slack now?

RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,153102,00.html
I am not too sure this is a good idea. They were, are taking the heat that the troops are not taking. Now if they would dress like MUSLIMS & work that way, I think it would not have gotten this out of control. I do not know how things are, but these people should have flashing lights that warn people away. I wonder if they could get a contract through the IRAQ government. REX

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Originally posted by RB47E:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,153102,00.html
I am not too sure this is a good idea. They were, are taking the heat that the troops are not taking. Now if they would dress like MUSLIMS & work that way, I think it would not have gotten this out of control. I do not know how things are, but these people should have flashing lights that warn people away. I wonder if they could get a contract through the IRAQ government. REX

I'm on ALL sides of this issue (on a lot of them, if you ask my Lib and Cons friends ) but if you think about it, what was IRAQs govt to do under the (previously) unchecked Fatal Incidents involving BWater?

If we're there to HELP Iraq and they perceive that OUR govt is supporting a Rogue Organization (BWater) that's Killing it's innocent citizens.

I don't see the Real Room for compromise on that?

IOWs, I can see the Iraq Govt believing/saying, "The US might not be better off without BWater in Iraq but Iraq will!!!"

You have to blame the US Authorities (not military) in Iraq on this, they didn't regulate BWater, they choosed expediency over decency.

WHO CARES WHAT THE IRAQ MONEY GRABBERS WANT. THEY HAVE STOLEN OVER 80 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR WEAPONS BY THEIR APPOINTED PEOPLE AND THERE IS NO ACCOUNTING FOR THAT LOSS. PLUS HOW MANY OF OUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY THEIR SO CALLED POLICE AND MILITARY ! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY ? WAKE UP PEOPLE, SINCE WHEN DOES RICE DECIDE WHO IS TO PROTECT WHO... MAYBE SOME OF THE STATE DEPT. NEEDS A FEW HOLES IN THEIR BUTTS TO WAKE UP..I AM 100 % FOR BLACKWATER--WHO SAID A DAM THING WHEN THEY HUNG THEIR BOYS FROM A BRIDGE--WHERE WAS RICE AND BUSH THEN OR ANY OF THE DEMOCRATES--HIDING UNDER THEIR DESKS !

In the Sept. 16 incident, Iraqi officials say Blackwater guards opened fire without provocation in Baghdad's Nisoor Square and killed 17 Iraqi citizens. The Iraqi government is demanding that Blackwater be expelled from the country within six months.

Humm....What caused the Blackwater Folks to open Fire and WHERE WERE THE IRAQI OFFICIALS?

Demanding there expell would be like handing out Speeding tickets at a NASCAR race.

Take charge of your Country or Shut Up...

OK, I better now.

Who actually cares, I mean honestly...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

Blackwater are doing a much needed job, who would do the work if they leave? Probably thousands more troops drafted in. Do we ever hear this much fuss, even on CNN about the hundreds of Iraqis killed, murdered and torchered by thier own people every week or month. Do they ever mention a terrorist wounded and captured by the US or UK forces would be looked after, but what would happen to any US soldier caught by the terrorists. You are still playing a game with rules, while the Iraqi terrorists do not have any and still get the press on their side.

The Comments on this Topic, (other than mine) basically read, "Who Cares";

If that's the case, you should be advocating for us to extricate ourselves out of Iraq Totally?

If you don't think Iraq Govt. should have ANY authority over a FOREIGN Company presence within Iraq Killing it's citizens?

"Someone else do the job"?

To Iraq, the job SHOULDN'T encompass their Inncoent Citizens being killed by foreigners?

Don't see how they're ASKING too much?

You don't tell SOMEONE, "I'm Here to Help you" and they end up killed by the very person that made the Generous Offer...

And expect to be Appreciated.

Now if you don't Believe Our OWN Leaders that say We're there to Help Iraq, you should say so and then wonder why they're saying it and why our troops are there to enforce it?

These Operators are from the Military, mostly, who left the military to earn bigger money, so they do know what they are doing. I worked with them and they are very professional in the work, and I have to say that they will open a can of whoopazz on anyone firing a single shot in the direction of their convoys, hence, the big stink they are in now. Those Iraqi bubbas will fire at a convoy in the middle of a group of civilians because US troops will not return fire, but security will.

Most people feel that these guys are ripping off the government, but I find them helpful taking much of the PSD tasks off the troops. I hope it all works out because I applied with them as well, but haven't received an answer yet....perhaps I'm not good enough, who knows

Re: 3167449
"SINCE WHEN DOES RICE DECIDE WHO IS TO PROTECT WHO"
I think the answer would be.. When the CinC made her the HMFIC of the State Dept.
Now take your Prozac and relax. All the Cyber yellin in the world ain't gonna change a thing. Have a cool one on me

Just a matter of time when you deal with the big ego's of spec. ops personel! They are or believe they are above all regulations or normal citizen laws.
Sorry to hear they couldn't get it under control, they were providing a required service to our military and the irac people...

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Originally posted by sallycrow:
Blackwater are doing a much needed job, who would do the work if they leave? Probably thousands more troops drafted in. Do we ever hear this much fuss, even on CNN about the hundreds of Iraqis killed, murdered and torchered by thier own people every week or month. Do they ever mention a terrorist wounded and captured by the US or UK forces would be looked after, but what would happen to any US soldier caught by the terrorists. You are still playing a game with rules, while the Iraqi terrorists do not have any and still get the press on their side.

One, ain't no draft!
Two, the "torture" topic is on another string...
Three, post some data please...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Originally posted by MarkAntney:
The Comments on this Topic, (other than mine) basically read, "Who Cares";

If that's the case, you should be advocating for us to extricate ourselves out of Iraq Totally?

If you don't think Iraq Govt. should have ANY authority over a FOREIGN Company presence within Iraq Killing it's citizens?

"Someone else do the job"?

To Iraq, the job SHOULDN'T encompass their Inncoent Citizens being killed by foreigners?

Don't see how they're ASKING too much?

You don't tell SOMEONE, "I'm Here to Help you" and they end up killed by the very person that made the Generous Offer...

And expect to be Appreciated.

Now if you don't Believe Our OWN Leaders that say We're there to Help Iraq, you should say so and then wonder why they're saying it and why our troops are there to enforce it?

What are you talking about?
I mean, talk about add two and two and seventeen and three quarters, sheez...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

i think this is a bad move... it only helps the people that want us to fail in iraq..... but i do hope bw will just change their name and continue their ops....

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Originally posted by 3167449:
WHO CARES WHAT THE IRAQ MONEY GRABBERS WANT. THEY HAVE STOLEN OVER 80 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR WEAPONS BY THEIR APPOINTED PEOPLE AND THERE IS NO ACCOUNTING FOR THAT LOSS. PLUS HOW MANY OF OUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY THEIR SO CALLED POLICE AND MILITARY ! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY ? WAKE UP PEOPLE, SINCE WHEN DOES RICE DECIDE WHO IS TO PROTECT WHO... MAYBE SOME OF THE STATE DEPT. NEEDS A FEW HOLES IN THEIR BUTTS TO WAKE UP..I AM 100 % FOR BLACKWATER--WHO SAID A DAM THING WHEN THEY HUNG THEIR BOYS FROM A BRIDGE--WHERE WAS RICE AND BUSH THEN OR ANY OF THE DEMOCRATES--HIDING UNDER THEIR DESKS !

YES, YES AND YES, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! Rice deciding anything is equally to giving the keys to the liquor store to the alkie! But, then again, remove Rice then who is left to make decisions? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Chaeney"? HAHAHAHAHAH

Hey whatever happened to our 'military' guarding our civilian representatives? I guess this Administration doesn't trust our military to serve that function anymore, hummmm? Makes you wonder about things doesn't it? I guess that means that we ought to bring Blackwater home to replace the Marine Presidential Guard and send them off to Iraq with the rest of the Marines? Makes sense to me! This whole mess stinks to high heaven! Totally disguested.

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I guess this Administration

well this goes a bit father then just this admin.... clinton said halburton was a model gov company that more companies should be more like....

The enemy hides among innocent civilians.

The enemy wants civilians to be killed.

It's sad but a fact of war.

Let the military review the FACTS and come to a decision.

As always, there are 3 sides to every story, the Iraqi's, Blackwater's and the the truth. Unfortunately the truth will probably never be known and the "contractors" will be the fall guys.

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:

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Originally posted by MarkAntney:
The Comments on this Topic, (other than mine) basically read, "Who Cares";

If that's the case, you should be advocating for us to extricate ourselves out of Iraq Totally?

If you don't think Iraq Govt. should have ANY authority over a FOREIGN Company presence within Iraq Killing it's citizens?

"Someone else do the job"?

To Iraq, the job SHOULDN'T encompass their Inncoent Citizens being killed by foreigners?

Don't see how they're ASKING too much?

You don't tell SOMEONE, "I'm Here to Help you" and they end up killed by the very person that made the Generous Offer...

And expect to be Appreciated.

Now if you don't Believe Our OWN Leaders that say We're there to Help Iraq, you should say so and then wonder why they're saying it and why our troops are there to enforce it?

What are you talking about?
I mean, talk about add two and two and seventeen and three quarters, sheez...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

I'm talking about,

Are we there (In Iraq) to HELP them? Don't see how that's anything other than a Yes or a No?

Is there a major issue with BWater and Iraqis ending up shot and killed upon confrontations with them?

Is it reported that a great number of those Shot and Killed weren't insurgents and considered Innocent of hostilities towards BWater and their clients (US Dignitaries in Iraq)?

If those are Yes Answers; I say the Iraqi People (Govt) have a more than legitimate issue with BWater operating in their Country, should they not?

Besides, the Globe is spinning back in the right direction when I disagree with you.

Don't know who but they should of Checked BWater on these incidents a long time ago, since no one took the initiative to exercise some oversight, NO one Wins.

A company that was performing a needed service, providing an excellent service to their client, FORMER soldiers getting a HEFTY paycheck... will now be defunct because someone forgot to turn the lights on and supervise the children.