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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,152917,00.html
I really don't know what to think on this one. I mean, i've never been to Afghanistan so i dont really know the situation over there, therefore i cannot make assumptions based off nothing. However, even though i support the war in Afghanistan 150%, I feel like this could be another empty promise. Can somebody who has been to Afghanistan shine some light on this? Thank you for answering, and thank you for your service. |
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Well I lived and worked for 3 years in the middle east as a civilian and I know the mentality of these guys pretty good. Here's what I'm thinking, they want to send the Army to Iraq now and the Marines to Af-stan, to take over. Well that flies in the face of this article concerning how well trained the Afgan Army is trained and ready to take over, inasmuch as, they wouldn't be sending in the Marines if they were ready to take over. What a grim jest! The undisputable truth is, anyone in either the af-gan or iraqi army is putting their entire family in grave jepordy, and will probably get killed, including the babies, by the terriorists. So why on earth would anyone think that either of these armies would put their heart and mind into an effort targeted at destroying the terriorists? Nonsense. The only course of action I can see, at this point, to include from the start of this mess, is to get out of the Middle East and let these people kill each other off until this maddness is over with. My boss once told me, in the middle east, "You American's are stupid, we have been fighting with each other for 10,000 years and we will never stop, this is our custom and our way." That doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone, but it is the simple unvarnished truth! What is brother's IS! Semper Fi |
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That was an excellent job of skirting the entire issue, Dan. Your comments had little to do with the fact that the ANA has proven itself in battle against the Taliban time after time and they fight readily alongside coalition forces. They are tough and determined fighters and as the good Colonel mentioned, absolutely fearless. I find no reason to disagree with anything that was stated in the article and I look forward to reading more about ANA units operating independently.
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Also, the Shifting of the Marines to Afghanastan is only a suggestion that hasn't been fully planned out and actually authorized. And what if they do swhift Marines there?...Clear sweeping of the area, also would provide more time and energy to the Afghan Army to improve and develope, while also working with a excellent organization such as the Marines. Might free up "other" operatives to go after Osban more agressively. Successful operations build more sucessfull operations...momemntum swings and the speed of "ending" our envolvement in Afghanstan would increase. I see nothing wrong with that.
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to a point i agree. but the problem is, they took it out side of their realm of reality and spilled over into ours. so simply just leaving and letting them kill each other off is a no-go! |
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I sure wish the same could be said for the Iraqi army... |
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If I was a betting man I would be betting against it. Our track record for getting armies to stand on their own leaves much to be desired. I hope their right and prove me wrong.
We have have gone so long, doing so much, with so little, now we can do anything with nothing. |
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What I wrote was the entire issue as far as I'm concerned. Look at the facts and record over the last 4+ years, where are we? There is more resistance in Af-gan today then when we started. What effect have we had on this country? None as far as I can see! Once we leave the Muslim War Lords will take back control, expand the Poppy field's, export the junk to us, and kill off more of our population. And, nothing will have changed. Concerning OBL, no sign of him, and we are no closer to catching him then we were when we started! What have we gained? As best as I can figure out, we've done nothing other then throw good lives of our kids after already lost lives. All for what, tell me, what? And I skirited the issue, it's you who is blind to this issue. We've killed a few terriorists, all of whom had nothing to do with 911, in fact most of the 911 guys were from Saudi, have we gone there to root em out, NOPE! So exactly what in hell are we doing, who's running this ship anyway and which direction are we heading? We are going nowhere fast, I'm in favor of outsourcing this job to China, maybe they'd get better results. I'm pretty sure the Chinese wouldn't put their own troops on trial and imprison them for killing anyone that is even remotely considered a terriorist. The Russian's tried this and failed also! Who we kidding? All I see is a lot of motion without any results, which adds up to lunacy! Semper Fi brother's |
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i think you miss the point on where the 9/11 terrorist are from. al-queda indocternates from all over. it just so happens that most of whom hit us on 9/11 were from Saudi. hey, even OBL is from Saudi. BUT Saudi did not train those terrorist. The goverment did not sanction the action, nor did they plan it or exicute it. It was infact the al-queda who have been based in Afghanistan. Our children have not been lost needlessly. For you to think that is astonishing! No, we haven't found OBL body. We've caught and killed many directly under him. And many of his little army ants. Just because we have not caught HIM, doesn't mean the missions is a failure or that we've lost our children for no reason. It is pure lunacy to think so! |
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If a tree falls in a forest and lands on a politician, even if you can't hear the tree or the screams, I'll bet you'd at least hear the applause. Paul Tindale  |
I think what you gave is an OP-ED, and did not directly address the article in question. Yes, there is seemingly more opposition now than 2 years ago, but that also could be because the lack of real direction and determination on our part. We took our initial successes as the future, and redirected almost all our recourses to Iraq. Obviously, as can be seen by the resurgence, not a good strategy. The article addresses the success of the Afghan Army and the failure of the Taliban to recruit experienced fighters. Yes, success against a force composed of mostly inexperienced fighters does to mean that they can whip a$$ anyone in the region, but it does indicate a willingness and determination to fight. As far as not killing the individuals involved in 9/11, that is nothing but a red herring. Probably, few remain of the corps involved, other than the tutorial leader, Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants. So what? New leaders and fighters have gravitated to the cause. These are the locals, and they are the ones to defeat. The locals rarely like or will follow outsiders in a local cause, thus marginalizing Al Qaeda and bin Laden. The big question is why the Afghans are more successful than the Iraqis, when the majority of training, funds, and equipment have been poured into the Iraqi Army? Is it because they have a history of defeating their enemies, i.e. the British and Russians and anyone else stupid enough to try and conquer them? Thoughts, anyone? Have a good day!~!   - |
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 Morning Jim, It looks like SOMETHING is working there. It's a still wait and see thing, so far so good.  |
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The odds in gambling always turn sooner or later, example South Korea. |
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I got a news flash for you, if you don't think Saudi train's A-Q your sadly mistaken, the current King of Saudi hates our guts worse then you will ever possibly imagine. I worked in that area and he bitterly hated us before he became king. Oh well, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. This is a waste of time. Semper Fi brothers |
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Yes I have one thought that comes to mind, which is, "When you go to kill a snake you cut off the head not the tail!" The problem with that thought is, our leader's can't recognize the difference between the head and the ***!  |
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If a tree falls in a forest and lands on a politician, even if you can't hear the tree or the screams, I'll bet you'd at least hear the applause. Paul Tindale |
You seem to be a bid confused in what this thread is about. We are talking about the Taliban, not old Osama and friends and the effectiveness of the Afghan army in dealing with them. The Taliban is the threat in Afghanistan. If the Afghan Army can defeat the Taliban, Osama and company will not be welcome and will be forced to move. Currently, he is being protected by the Taliban, not his foreign army. The Afghans do not like foreigners, and that is what Al Qaeda is. So, please stick to the main point on this. Have a good day!~! |
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Well, Korea has been pretty much of a success. The Korean Army is tough and capable of defending themselves. In fact, one of the main arguements these days for the US Army to stay in Korea is to act as a restraint on the South Koreans from taking on their cousins to the North. Taiwan's army was reconstituted after their lost to the Communists. Today, they are recognized as a competent and professional force. El Salvador and Honduras were able to successfully suppress their communist insurgencies and were re-organized with US help. It is easy to focus on our failures, but don't forget our successes. Also, I suspect that the Afghans have an easier time of organizing against the Taliban because the Taliban were such unrepentent SOBs. In Iraq, on the other hand, the insurgency has more popular support because of our earlier blunders and is looked upon as an occupation by the locals. The Iraqi army is looked upon by the locals in the same light as the Vichy government was by the French. In a strange way, because the focus was on Iraq by the media and the public, Afghanistan was a theatre where American commanders could quietly and steadily make the changes necessary to win the war there. For the most part, the campaign there has been a success. The Taliban are a serious threat, but not in the same level as the insurgents in Iraq. Finally, Dan, Afghanistan is not in the Middle East, nor are they Arabs. To assume so would be a serious flaw. |
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From what I've read in all of your posts here, you really don't address the issue. Your post is rather opine. I have been to Afghanistan. It has been awhile mind you (Oct. 2001). But, I still maintain current events on the subject. The current Afghan army are a well trained and highly disciplined army thanks to the U.S. Yes, they are ready to begin to go it alone. That was the intended goal all along. Why is it that there always has to be so many negative people out there to downplay the great job our military and our government has and is doing. The reasons the Iraqi army hasn't had the same success rate is due to the fact they are one, lazy and two being killed by their own people for being in the army in the firstplace. Under those circumstances, it will take longer. As for our government and terrorism. Let's give some credit to the Bush Administration for protecting America from terroist attacks. All agencies have diligently worked together to keep America safe, but no credit is ever given, just criticism. So, I for one am appreciative of the Bush Adminisration as well as the U.S. military. |
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Well said for an Aggie...  ... |
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Spring is 6-8 months away so we are going to know the truth fairly quickly.
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 THAT WOULD BE GOOD NEWS.OUR ACTION IN AFGHANISTAN ALWAYS SEEMED REASONABLE; if not well executed. I DO HOPE IT IS TRUE AND NOT WHITE HOUSE SPIN.  |
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