RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,152099,00.html

Let's see... there was a two suv convoy that gained enterence to a military compound about 2 years ago. An unknown number of insurgents dressed as military got out and killed all the US soldiers standing around their vehicles and took their gear and left. OH, MY, could this be some copycat activity? Making the security companies look bad? Stirring up sentement? Huummmmm?

Good Job for the Security Company. I feel they have every right to protect themselves just like everyone else. What are they supposed to do? Act out their self defense when it's too late... Let them do their job, and not be so critical of their actions... How many of our troops would be dead if it wasn't for them? Again, leave them alone and let them do their jobs...

Leave it to the media to put out a story that is not complete to make headlines. There is not any thing that is (what so ever) verified but two women were shot.
Things are bad enough without this. Let's get the whole story (facts and figures) and then report it. This is plain stupid......

According to the latest reports, the two women were Iraqi christians who panicked and didn't stop quickly enough.

My, my, my! Everyone is quick off the old starting block in believing that this was a "justified" action. I reread it several times. Somehow, and I don't know why, there isn't anything in the article that said why the women were killed.

"Guards in a security convoy opened fire on a car at an intersection in central Baghdad on Tuesday, killing two Iraqi Christian women then speeding away, police said"

A bit quick to condone, no? Anything is acceptable to you gentlemen? Or, another great propaganda coup to illustrate why our brand of "democracy" is just peachy keen and the Iraqis should be grateful to us for everything. Just swell! Have a good day!~!

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Originally posted by SLDO:
My, my, my! Everyone is quick off the old starting block in believing that this was a "justified" action. I reread it several times. Somehow, and I don't know why, there isn't anything in the article that said why the women were killed.

"Guards in a security convoy opened fire on a car at an intersection in central Baghdad on Tuesday, killing two Iraqi Christian women then speeding away, police said"

A bit quick to condone, no? Anything is acceptable to you gentlemen? Or, another great propaganda coup to illustrate why our brand of "democracy" is just peachy keen and the Iraqis should be grateful to us for everything. Just swell! Have a good day!~!

Yo, SLDO... we spent many a day driving around the Karradah section of Baghdad looking for SUV's of American make with US registration since they were frequently being used as transportation vehicles for kidnapping, for huge VBIED's (like used at the SCIRI office in November 2004), and for infiltrating the International (Green) Zone.

We are skeptical because the report said NOTHING except that a "convoy" was in the area and someone in that group of vehicles reportedly killed two women, who happen to be Christians, that were in a car.

The only facts reported were that the women are dead, God rest their souls; the women were reported to be Christians.... that is truely all there is.

You, on the other hand, want to immediately blame someone.
Iraqi people have a tendancy to lie.

What are the facts here? Why was the shooting initiated? This report doesn't say anything but two women killed. Sounds like more anti-American propaganda to me.

I'm reserving judgement until all the real facts are known and released. I am still foggy with the BW incident. BW maintains they were in self defense mode. Anyone have a link to what actualy happened in that incident?

Well, it ain't going to get any easier being an employee of private security firms in Iraq now that the heat has been turned up! This scenario does smell suspiciously of a setup seizing on an opportunity to garner publicity due to the recent trouble with Blackwater USA. There will be increasing confusion no doubt with Multinational Forces and IP now having to stop diplomatic convoys to verify that they are who they are supposed to be.

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Guards in a security convoy opened fire on a car at an intersection in central Baghdad on Tuesday, killing two Iraqi Christian women then speeding away, police said.

Very poor writing. This sentence could have two different meaning.

The Guards in the convoy opened fire.... and ....then speeding away.

Or,

"....killing two Iraqi women who were then speeding away"

Who was speeding away? The guards or the women?

I don't detect any facts here except that there were two dead Christian Iraqi women and I'm suspicious about that, too.

Wow, suspicious about the "Christian" part! And everything else is believeable? Why is that?

Or was it simply a killing by a couple of Moslams, say a mahdi convoy shooting female unbelievers? Too big a strech? Why?

The question is an open ended one as is the incident with Blackwater given who the accusers are.

Bump for skip and not only do they like to stretch the truth, they NEVER ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG...NEVER.

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Originally posted by SkipHadaway:

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Originally posted by SLDO:
My, my, my! Everyone is quick off the old starting block in believing that this was a "justified" action. I reread it several times. Somehow, and I don't know why, there isn't anything in the article that said why the women were killed.

"Guards in a security convoy opened fire on a car at an intersection in central Baghdad on Tuesday, killing two Iraqi Christian women then speeding away, police said"

A bit quick to condone, no? Anything is acceptable to you gentlemen? Or, another great propaganda coup to illustrate why our brand of "democracy" is just peachy keen and the Iraqis should be grateful to us for everything. Just swell! Have a good day!~!

Yo, SLDO... we spent many a day driving around the Karradah section of Baghdad looking for SUV's of American make with US registration since they were frequently being used as transportation vehicles for kidnapping, for huge VBIED's (like used at the SCIRI office in November 2004), and for infiltrating the International (Green) Zone.

We are skeptical because the report said NOTHING except that a "convoy" was in the area and someone in that group of vehicles reportedly killed two women, who happen to be Christians, that were in a car.

The only facts reported were that the women are dead, God rest their souls; the women were reported to be Christians.... that is truely all there is.

You, on the other hand, want to immediately blame someone.
Iraqi people have a tendancy to lie.

First Off they have to prove that it was Blackwater or that matter Americans. Just saying things like it is Americans are not going to cut it. Folks this has been done before.

Regardless of which private security company it was that did the shooting, things are going to get harder for ALL security companies in the area.

Too many civilians are being killed by these PSC's without sufficient justification. From the way the story is written, it is apparent that the two women killed in all likelihood just had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it is shown that these two women were innocents, as I suspect it will be, then the calls will only get louder to remove all the PSC's from Iraq as it is being proven obvious day after day that they cannot be trusted to protect without killing innocents.

Of course we must wait for the facts to be established...but my question is, do our legitimate contract security people wear face masks? & why would they want to speed away from the scene thereby damning themselves with regard to this terrible incident? Anyway, sounds like another terrorist murder "bag job" to me. After all, Iraqi Christians are as much hated by Muslim extremists as we are....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq...pjFdMfCvYRkbKNtvaA8F

BAGHDAD - Guards working for an Australian-owned security company fired on a car as it approached their convoy Tuesday, killing two women before speeding away from the latest bloodshed blamed on the deadly mix of heavily armed protection details on Baghdad's crowded streets.

"We deeply regret this incident," said a statement from Michael Priddin, the chief operating officer of Unity Resources Group, a security company owned by Australian partners but with headquarters in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

An update on the story:

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The women's white Oldsmobile, riddled with bullets across the hood and window, was seen by a Washington Post reporter outside the Karrada police station after the shooting.

Relatives of the victims who gathered at Karrada identified the two slain women as Armenian Orthodox Christians living in Baghdad. The driver, Marony O'Hanis, was born in 1958, and the front-seat passenger was Geneva Jalal Entranic, who was born in 1977, relatives said.

There was at least one other woman in the back seat, and several people at the scene said she was also injured. Witnesses differed on whether the fourth person in the car was a man or a woman.

Iraqi police and shopkeepers near the scene of the shooting said O'Hanis's Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera approached the convoy of SUVs from behind. One shopkeeper said guards in the last SUV fired a warning shot, some type of flare, then sprayed machine gun fire into the hood and windshield.
"A vehicle got close to them and they opened fire on it randomly as if they were in the middle of a confrontation. You won't find a head. The brain is scattered on the ground," said Ahmed Kadhim Hussein, a police officer at the scene. "I am shaking as I am trying to describe to you what happened. We are not able to eat. These were innocent people. Is it so natural for them to shoot innocent people?"

Iraqi Interior Ministry officials said the security contractor, Unity Resources, was registered with the ministry and reported the shooting afterward.

"They have admitted what they have done," said Brig. Gen. Abdul Kareem Khalaf, the chief Interior Ministry spokesman. "They have apologized and said they will do whatever the Interior Ministry asks them to do."

Sounds like the shooting was quite a bit less than "justified"...............

They want Blackwater gone, as soon as the pay 8 million dollars for the 13 lives lost a couple weeks ago. I wonder what the Aussie's will have to fork over. Just tell all the ambassadors and company exec's that's over there trying to arrange the future of the sand pit to get around on their own, see how fast the Interor Minister seeks some outside help. Without these mercenaries as some has called them the future looks pretty dim. Now, it saddens me to see innocents killed for any and all reasons, but also itS bad procedure to see the blame fall on the ones that put the arse on the line everyday. I'm glad to see the Iraqi finally get tough on shooting people, just waiting for them to catch and execute the sobs that killed the multi-nation task force personell and went home for supper that night without a worry in the world. The worse thing is that rat Al Sadr was one of the first to come out for anglo blood and to send the private companies packing. If he's calling the shots then the hell with the IM and all the rest. Sorry for the rant.

I just hope this is not a ploy to reduce or eliminate the security of the high ranking officials and diplomats. That would leave them vunerable to the insurgents and car bombings.

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Originally posted by mgarmy:
Bump for skip and not only do they like to stretch the truth, they NEVER ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG...NEVER.

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Originally posted by SkipHadaway:

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Originally posted by SLDO:
My, my, my! Everyone is quick off the old starting block in believing that this was a "justified" action. I reread it several times. Somehow, and I don't know why, there isn't anything in the article that said why the women were killed.

"Guards in a security convoy opened fire on a car at an intersection in central Baghdad on Tuesday, killing two Iraqi Christian women then speeding away, police said"

A bit quick to condone, no? Anything is acceptable to you gentlemen? Or, another great propaganda coup to illustrate why our brand of "democracy" is just peachy keen and the Iraqis should be grateful to us for everything. Just swell! Have a good day!~!

Yo, SLDO... we spent many a day driving around the Karradah section of Baghdad looking for SUV's of American make with US registration since they were frequently being used as transportation vehicles for kidnapping, for huge VBIED's (like used at the SCIRI office in November 2004), and for infiltrating the International (Green) Zone.

We are skeptical because the report said NOTHING except that a "convoy" was in the area and someone in that group of vehicles reportedly killed two women, who happen to be Christians, that were in a car.

The only facts reported were that the women are dead, God rest their souls; the women were reported to be Christians.... that is truely all there is.

You, on the other hand, want to immediately blame someone.
Iraqi people have a tendancy to lie.

Nothing like getting a little exercise today, no? Ya know, jumping to conclusions, leaps of logic, that type of thing. Blame? Did I place blame somewhere? Don't think so. I like to see all the facts before starting out like you did on this one.

I was actually surprised that you added a bit of humanity in this: "The only facts reported were that the women are dead, God rest their souls; the women were reported to be Christians.... that is truely all there is."

And so this contrite statement was made for what? If they were Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jews, Patagoniaons, would this be of no concern?

No, sir. The concern is not to lay blame, but to bring under control possible misdeeds of US or even other Foreign Nationals. You, sir, in your writings, express no obvious displeasure of the killing of other people. They seem, well, like non-beings. Everything is excusable to you. No control, no apologies. And, why, prey tell, are we fighting there for? This is not exactly a Kodak moment in US relations or in justifying to the Iraqis why our brand of civilization is better than theirs.

Further information was on the BBC, NBC, CBS, and yes, even FOX News (outlaw). None reported that these two women, with children in the backseat, were making what could be construed a threatening movement. Nope. Appears this is just another trigger happy event. Have a good night!~!