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"The Cheerleader!" |
I think Turkey needs to be reminded about the time they wouldn't allow our jets to fly over their air space or move cargo into Iraq through their border at the start of this war.
It's definately NOT in Turkey's best interest to get ensnarled in Iraq. There's way to many players in the war in Iraq right now. While I understand Turkey wants the PKK incursions to stop; I think Turkey needs to leave it to us and Iraqi troops to deal with the situation. |
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This probably the underlying motivation of all the "insurgent groups" in Iraq. Let Turkey do their own dirty work in Iraq. This NATO member refused to let the US launch against Saddam at the beginning of this war. They should clean up their own mess. |
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"The Cheerleader!" |
Turkey needs to get hip and call for a cease fire conference with the PKK bad boys in conjunction with Kurdish leaders in Turkey and Iraq. The PKK will listen to Apo Occalon but I'm not sure he's still alive.
A military incursion into Iraq by Turkey will be a disaster. Yeah, Turkey, some NATO "friend".  |
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Turkey has said it would prefer that the United States and its Iraqi Kurd allies in northern Iraq crack down on the PKK.
allies, kurds? aren't they reopening the border with iran? and didn't they send a memo to iran saying not to hold them accountable for the US's actions.....allies, HA. Let turkey do their own dirty work, like said earlier, they refused to help us at the start, but of course all that changed since they have started to be attacked. Hate the US, until we need them...seems like a world view as of late |
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Turkey's situation has parallels with Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is regularly infitrated by insurgents from Pakistan. The U.S. wants the Pakistanis to give us the right to attack insurgent encampments; but Pakistan has refused for the most part. Turkey wants to do in Iraq what we want to do in Pakistan. On that basis the U.S. should let them do it. But if it turns out that Turkey wants to establish a security presence in North Iraq, what will the U.S. do then? Turkey's presence inside Iraq would be no more problematic for the Iraqis then the U.S. presence is. It will give the U.S. another reason to keep our military there. |
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(There once was a "country" called Kurdistan)
If Turkey wishes to place it's forces under U.N. Direction (or ours) for the operations, let them participate. Otherwise, I see them as a destabilizing element that will only weaken our efforts to establish an Iraqi government. Also, it would be a nasty precedent. I hope that the parties involved think back upon the Ottoman Empire, and consider carefully. |
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There are so many pros and cons to this that who knows what would happen if they were granted or not. If yes then they may destabilize the region in the attacks or help remove future attacks on thier soil. If not then more attacks may resume and we can watch the story unfold and possibly get worse on CNN or they can try someting else and improve the situation without coming into Iraq.
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Is this all bad?
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Could be. Do you want to see more bad things happen in Iraq or more possitive things so our men and women can get the hell out.
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That's a good idea. Maybe we need to have a cease fire conference with Al Queda. AQ will listen to Jimmy Carter. After all, a military incursion into Iraq by the United States would be a disaster. Oh, wait... The PPK needs to get hip that the US won't be around to shield them forever, which may be sooner rather than later now that the Kurds are cozying up to Iran. |
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Why not let Turkey establish a presence in Iraq and leave them holding the bag? I don't see a downside here. |
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"The Cheerleader!" |
Only some Kurds are cozying up to Iran - the Kurds that are inside of Iran's border.
Kurdistan covers four different countries. Turkey has a problem with the PKK; Turkey has made ZERO overtures to manage the problem outside of the persecute and shoot-em-up method. Spain's held talks with the Basque. England use to have talks with the IRA. Heck, Palestine and Israel have held talks even!! PKK are nationalists; not religionists. Why doesn't Turkey, the poster country for Islamic democracy, wannabe EU member, make a move toward establishing mediated talks with members of the PKK instead of using violence? You keep think the PKK is the same as al Qaeda and they're not. Not in the least bit. PKK are marxist nationalists; al Qaeda are Islamo-fascists. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
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The similarity is that they are both terrorist organizations.
The difference is that we more or less reserve the right to invade any country that harbors AQ, but we expect everyone else in the world to negotiate with terrorist groups. Turkey figures if it's okay for the US to do it, it's okay for them. You disagree. I don't. The biggest difference is AQ attacked American citizens, the PPK didn't. It excuses anything we do to fight AQ, while we don't feel any obligation to quash the PPK, no matter how many terrorist acts they commit against other countries.
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This can not be good if Turkey sends troops into Northern Iraq. The Kurds section of Iraq is one of the peaceful areas of the country. If Turkey sends its military into this section, who knows what will happen next? One thing is for sure, Iran and Turkey are not friendly and I seriously doubt that Iran would want Turkish troops on its boarder. Iran just might send its troops into Iraq now instead of waiting for the U.S. to pull out.
What do you think? Exnavy-76 DM(A)2 Proud Vietnam Vet |
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My thoughts exnavy 76. We are already having enough trouble as is with Iraqi civilians having it's own block watch carrying AKs and we are shooting them by accident. If the Kurds are doing the same then the Turks will have the same problem. And they will be attacked even more. If they have a problem then they should not cross into Iraq and attack the PKK. Oh crap.... To late... they did that aleady.
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