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Army to Probe Bagram Soldier?s Death

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,151777,00.html

I think we will eventually find out what really happened to this brave soldier, but only AFTER the elections of '08.
 
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Wrong! The elections of '08 will have nothing to do with this. You can bet everything you have that the Army will investigate this to the fullest extent. The Army is still smarting from the CPL Tillman fiasco and will not want the public and especially the media to have any perception of cover-up or malfeasance.
 
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The government of Ireland has requested to be informed of the progress of the investigation


Why is the government of Ireland concerned about this matter?

Based on the information in this article, I would think her murder had more to do with whatever "strange" information she discovered than her being gay. I mean, she was NG in MA. There, who cares what a person's sexual orientation is?
 
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Groovy, you are correct. She was openly gay and was engaged to be married (legal in MA). Her unit apparently had no problem with her sexual orientation.
 
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Complete investigation,are you kidding?Does"t anyone remember Pat Tillman?The army did a complete investigation on him,but it took several years after his death to get the whole story.
The army believes in the CYOA type of reporting ,especialy when the worlds eyes are apon them.
the more things change,the more they remain the same.
 
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Morning GL Smile, The two main reasons to murder is Love or Money, you rule out one and in most cases you have the other.
 
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Chuckie, can you read? That's EXACTLY why the investigation will be so thorough, BECAUSE of Pat Tillman! Get a clue, dude, get a clue.
 
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Complete investigation,are you kidding?Does"t anyone remember Pat Tillman?The army did a complete investigation on him,but it took several years after his death to get the whole story.
The army believes in the CYOA type of reporting ,especialy when the worlds eyes are apon them.
the more things change,the more they remain the same.

I believe the CID and other related agencies learned a hard lesson post Tillman. To lose a soldier to combat is sad but expected, to lose a soldier to murder is down right wrong Mad
 
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Wrong! The elections of '08 will have nothing to do with this. You can bet everything you have that the Army will investigate this to the fullest extent. The Army is still smarting from the CPL Tillman fiasco and will not want the public and especially the media to have any perception of cover-up or malfeasance.


As to whether I am wrong or not? Time will tell. After 4 tries and countless inquiries concerning Tillman, I would be shocked if they didn't investigate this to the limits of their abilities, and beyond. Only a dope wouldn't fully expect that.

However, only a fool wouldn't continue to ask questions about this, many questions... and they can begin with asking her Commanding Officer just how a troop ends up getting shot in the back of the head, while walking within the safety of her own Base Camp...?

I would most certainly like to know the answer to that question.
 
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wether, you don't think that question has been asked? Look at linedoggie's post for just one of a possible thousand answers to that question. No intelligent person doubts that the Army acted like a cat covering up shite during the Tillman mess. Thet WON'T make that mistake again. Bet on it.
 
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I am in general agreement with Tanks for the most part, passion or money. Possibly a crime of opportunity, but that seems an exceedingly remote likelihood.


When I am questioned by my staff as to what direction they should take in surveillance, I tell them to continue to follow the money.
TA DA!! The thief.
 
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Wrong! The elections of '08 will have nothing to do with this. You can bet everything you have that the Army will investigate this to the fullest extent. The Army is still smarting from the CPL Tillman fiasco and will not want the public and especially the media to have any perception of cover-up or malfeasance.


As to whether I am wrong or not? Time will tell. After 4 tries and countless inquiries concerning Tillman, I would be shocked if they didn't investigate this to the limits of their abilities, and beyond. Only a dope wouldn't fully expect that.

However, only a fool wouldn't continue to ask questions about this, many questions... and they can begin with asking her Commanding Officer just how a troop ends up getting shot in the back of the head, while walking within the safety of her own Base Camp...?

I would most certainly like to know the answer to that question.


Very good point, and I bet some field grade is having his or her heels locked at this very moment
 
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I'd like to know why this is public and WTF do Kerry and Kennedy have to do with it...and those other rights organizations should have no say in the matter...

this should be a private matter with the family and the Army...it should only be public if after the investigation the Family and the Army agree to go public...depending upon what is found...if the questionable info she had discovered is of security issues it should never be public until such time it is deemed no longer a security issue...
 
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Morning GL Smile, The two main reasons to murder is Love or Money, you rule out one and in most cases you have the other.

BINGO , Tank!
My uninformed opinion?
She was in a FINANCE unit.
Several COlonels and Majors from other units in the Theater have already gone to prison for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

My uninformed opinion....
It was a straight up "Hit"
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheTinker:
"if the questionable info she had discovered is of security issues it should never be public until such time it is deemed no longer a security issue..."

My gut feeling is, I dont think it was a security issue.

I'd be willing to bet that the specialist uncovered theft or fraud and her death was a way to silence her from disclosing that information. However, there is frequently a paper or information trail can be followed.

With a body in the open though..... a lot of data can be "lost" , erased, altered, disposed of etc.... If "they" were worried enough to committ murder, the likelihood is the trail is already being covered.

Better move quickly to secure all relevant data and start interogations, at least to lock everyone in to a story which can be scrutinized later. Remember,... follow the money.

My condolences to the family and loved ones in their time of pain and grief.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheTinker:
"if the questionable info she had discovered is of security issues it should never be public until such time it is deemed no longer a security issue..."

My gut feeling is, I dont think it was a security issue.

I'd be willing to bet that the specialist uncovered theft or fraud and her death was a way to silence her from disclosing that information. However, there is frequently a paper or information trail can be followed.

With a body in the open though..... a lot of data can be "lost" , erased, altered, disposed of etc.... If "they" were worried enough to committ murder, the likelihood is the trail is already being covered.

Better move quickly to secure all relevant data and start interogations, at least to lock everyone in to a story which can be scrutinized later. Remember,... follow the money.

My condolences to the family and loved ones in their time of pain and grief.


You and Tanks make very good points...Have to agree with both of you on your speculations as to cause...

however...I believe it should not be made public at this time...IMHO
 
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I agree with Groovy and Tinker. The only reasons that there is outside involvement is for publicity. They could actually care less of the individual, it is what mileage they get out of it.
 
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Groovy, the gov't of Ireland is concerned because she was born in Ireland and emigrated to the U.S. when she was 9. Irish emigrants are allowed to maintain dual citizenship.
 
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Sometimes outside pressure can be a good thing, but the investigation should be completed first, I am very sure that since the Tillman investigation, this one will be under a microscope from other agencies. In matters of national security of information, I don't believe this to be the case.So far this sounds like a stright up hit as was posted earlier, maybe to cover up something. Follow the money, and who had something to gain by her demise. That's where I would start and work my way down.
 
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The government of Ireland has requested to be informed of the progress of the investigation


Why is the government of Ireland concerned about this matter?



Groovy...
The soldier was a native of Ireland, who came to the states at an early age...
My guess is that in all probability, she still retained her original citizenship, or held dual citizenship.
 
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