Let's see, Darfur, is Sudan, hmmm. Muslim? Or Not? Hmmm, do I get a ****? No...The AU doesn't have Air Elements and Air Cavalry, they're basically ground units with no Air or Artillery support.
Also, this is tribal folks, just like everywhere else in Africa that is having problems.
They're living in the 21st century but stuck in the 3d, cept this time they're using guns instead of sticks and stones.
If the AU is siding with the Sudanese Leader, then why doesn't the all great knowing UN step in and say um...you're supposed to be indirect.
But when under fire, you have to defend yourself.
Not everyone wants to be The United States, but they'll buy up everything they can to want to be like us.
Sounds like a killing field over there.
It's time that countries start taking care of themselves, even if it means assasinating these warlords and their fighters. Go on the offensive and take your country back.
Oh wait, they don't want to because they want a completely broke, destabalized government and stay in 3d world mode so that they US will bail em out.
F*** THAT HORSESHIT!!!!! GET A GRIP YOU STUPID ****ERS, YOU GOTTA KILL THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE TO KILL THE REST OF IT!
BOMB THIS PLACE BACK TO THE MOTHER****ING STONE AGE TOO!
****IN *******S, RUINING MY GOOD MOOD THIS MORNING!
Why are we not in Dafur ? Genocide committed on a daily basis.We are always propping up the wrong dictator, invading the wrong country. But then again, there is no oil in Darfur. What has happened to us? We used to be the good guys.
Originally posted by bostoncag1: Why are we not in Dafur ? Genocide committed on a daily basis.We are always propping up the wrong dictator, invading the wrong country. But then again, there is no oil in Darfur. What has happened to us? We used to be the good guys.
It seems were ever the Muslim group gets a foot hold, trouble starts. It seems a lot of people are missing the fine print to being a Muslim. 200,000 thousand in four years, what is wrong with these people. I know this is only one account, millions have most likely died.
Originally posted by 14219531: It seems were ever the Muslim group gets a foot hold, trouble starts. It seems a lot of people are missing the fine print to being a Muslim. 200,000 thousand in four years, what is wrong with these people. I know this is only one account, millions have most likely died.
Actually, according to BBCWorld News, it wasn't the muslim government that attacked the peacekeepers, but an independent rebel group. That portion of Sudan has seen so much fighting that groups have splintered among themselves. At this point, it is like Somalia was ten years ago. No one is in charge and no one knows who is aligned with whom. Also, I saw the images from the BBC, those peacekeepers were ill equipped and armed. According to the report, some of the soldiers weren't even armed because their parent countries sent them off to the Sudan unarmed, hoping the US or the UN would arm them. Even when we pay for the arms, the funds are siphoned off by corrupt leaders. Those poor peacekeepers didn't have a chance. It's not like they were the US military with an infinite supply of arms and logistics.
From my read the artical stated the hatred the rebels had was in part due to the Muslim Group. The Muslim Group was said to be the worst and may have started the problem. Correct me if my read is incorrect. I remember accounts of Somalia. Food was rotting in ships on the piers because the powers that be were starving the opposition to death. We had a visiting Catholic Priest that was born in South Africa. He told me most of South African wild life is on the verge of extinction due to starvation. The land has a lot of potentcial but people rather kill each other than grow food.
From my read the artical stated the hatred the rebels had was in part due to the Muslim Group. The Muslim Group was said to be the worst and may have started the problem. Correct me if my read is incorrect. ==========I get the same. My understanding is that the Muslim government in Sudan is driving the black Africans from the South out because of a developing oil field. The Africans. Not long ago there was not an effective “rebel” force to protect the blacks in South Sudan. Evidently there are now. The Government militias are suppooledly armed with Russian gunships and produced the refugees. Possibly the Muslim Sudanese have continued their routing lately and the group of Rebels blamed it on the Peacekeepers. US has its head in the sand cause China is buying a piece of the oil action in Sudan. China holds 25% of US Treasury Notes. ===================== I remember accounts of Somalia. Food was rotting in ships on the piers because the powers that be were starving the opposition to death. We had a visiting Catholic Priest that was born in South Africa. He told me most of South African wild life is on the verge of extinction due to starvation. The land has a lot of potential but people rather kill each other than grow food. =========The demise of the great apes bothers me. Science can’t find a reservoir for ebola or AIDS but I read that HIV has got to the Apes. Has anyone read EMERGING VIRUSES: AIDS AND EBOLA: ACCIDENT; NATURAL; INTENTIONAL? Supposedly in ’69 the CIA asked for 10 million to produce a vaccine for an immune-system depressant cause the Russians might have one. The same monkeys were used to develop the material and Hepatitis-B vaccine. Given massively in Central Africa and the Gay communities
Originally posted by bostoncag1: Why are we not in Dafur ? Genocide committed on a daily basis.We are always propping up the wrong dictator, invading the wrong country. But then again, there is no oil in Darfur. What has happened to us? We used to be the good guys.
There is oil in Darfur.
Why do you think the government thought it was time to move the 'natives' off the oil patch? They were interfering with oil company operations.
Originally posted by johnshoemaker30: From my read the artical stated the hatred the rebels had was in part due to the Muslim Group. The Muslim Group was said to be the worst and may have started the problem. Correct me if my read is incorrect. ==========I get the same. My understanding is that the Muslim government in Sudan is driving the black Africans from the South out because of a developing oil field. The Africans. Not long ago there was not an effective “rebel” force to protect the blacks in South Sudan. Evidently there are now. The Government militias are suppooledly armed with Russian gunships and produced the refugees. Possibly the Muslim Sudanese have continued their routing lately and the group of Rebels blamed it on the Peacekeepers. US has its head in the sand cause China is buying a piece of the oil action in Sudan. China holds 25% of US Treasury Notes.
John let's stick to one problem at a time. Africa is a mass of probles and no one band aid is going to ficx them all.
Darfur has been as 'problem' since the early 90's. Oil exploration companies (Talisman energy of Canada was one of he early ones) got leases from the Sudanese government to look for oil in the Darfur region of the country.
The government of Sudan reflects the majority of the population, Muslim people of mixed or Nilotic stock. The Darfur region was populated by Christian tribespeople of Bantu or African stock.
It wasn't long before the oil companies were complaining about 'security' in Darfur. A heavy-handed military response engendered a full-fledged independence movement and a low level insurgency in the area.
As the 'insurgency' grew so did public attention and eventually western oil companies shut down their direct operations. The 'war' took on all the aspects of an ethnic cleansing and anti-insurgent action by the government armed forces and irregular militias (Janjiwid militias).
The village structure of Darfur society has been obliterated. Darfurians live in massive refugee camps supported by UN and other relief organizations. Military operations continue and extend into neighbouring Chad.
Realizing they were peacekeepers, they were still a military organization and they are in a war zone.
How do ragtag 'bandits' in 30 vehicles sneak up on your encampment? How do they break in kill 10, wound others take 40 prisoners and strip the place of weapons and equipment? How do they make off with vehicles except two APV's they burned? And more importantly where do the make off to?
Darfur ain't like Iraq, except for the sand and the flies. There seem to be very few places to hide.
Originally posted by bostoncag1: Why are we not in Dafur ? Genocide committed on a daily basis.We are always propping up the wrong dictator, invading the wrong country. But then again, there is no oil in Darfur. What has happened to us? We used to be the good guys.
Because in Iraq, the enemy will cut your head off and you might catch a fever.
In Darfur, the enemy will sacrifice you to the cheetah god before they eat you, and you might catch ebola.
In all seriousness; there is not much worldwide concern for a stable Sudan, or even a stable Africa. All the attention is on the middle east, where things may go to s**t and there is a nuclear threat involved. Hate to point out the obvious, but the entire continent of Africa could go into complete anarchy and the world wouldn't miss a beat. Too many economies are tied to stability in the middle east, so for good or ill, that's where the resources of boots, dollars and political capital are going.
The government of Sudan reflects the majority of the population, Muslim people of mixed or Nilotic stock. The Darfur region was populated by Christian tribespeople of Bantu or African stock
=======Thought I remembered the central government driving the non-muslims out of their villages with Russian helicopters. If these "rebels" are rebelling against the central Govt. I can't see why they would attack a force protecting the refugees. I'm suspicious of the central government creating the force that attacked the peacekeepers. Either that or really poor rebel focus.
