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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,150757,00.html
Here we go again! Same song, different tune  |
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I kind of have a tin ear. What song are you referring to? |
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The "Soldiers killing innocent civilians" song and the tune is different players. In other words, we have heard all this before and the American public will see that we have more trials for Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines than we do the insurgance, or so they are informed of by the media. This message has been edited. Last edited by: MSGDaleEBuck, |
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I honestly don't know what to say. Why did you post this link to sworn testimony in a courts martial and prepetuate this kind of report? I will say that my impression is that many 'on the ground' do not support the mission that the President and his Generals say they are trying to accomplish. Snipers, killings of what appear to be unarmed individuals and such. Are the leaders paying lip service to one set of goals while ordering the troops to do other things? No one whats to die. The troops are risking their lives to accomplish a mission. Really hard to understand what that mission is at times though. |
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Bring on the "who cares kill'em all...." posts.
I hope some of the more shallow minded on this board will someday realize that this war is not only being fought with bullets. |
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I don't know where mr recondo gets the idea that MANY troops do not support the war effort. I have not seen many people stating that. What I have seen are a few malcontents making statements, but that is it. When you have poeple wounded and asking to return to their units, you see what is truly happening. The thing I hate to see when troops are court marshalled for incidents in war is that some young troop will hesitate in the future costing him his life. You can not second guess the person on the ground, they were there when it happened, you cannot see what they saw.
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No one is saying that, but the mission is very clouded and many have to make judgements for lack thereof by their, so called, leaders. We all know the efforts to win the hearts and minds, but there is a certain threshold that is crossed on the use of the ROE and what exactly is it as it changes day-to-day. Being one of those on ground, I can say that the mission now is covered in fog and the small unit commander has to make serious decisions daily because he has no leader backing. Staff Sergeants used to be older and wiser, but now they are kids promoted up due to attrition and they are confused easily. I don't know what your stance is, but killing isn't all that easy, and if there was a way to perform these duties without it, by all means bring it on or shut up! |
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Amen to Xtrooper1's post. He is right on the money. All we hear from is the whiners and the complainers. Out of the couple hundred thousand military folks that filter through that country each year doing their jobs enthusiastically, we hear about the handful that don't know how to conduct themselves properly...AND ARE BEING DEALT WITH SEVERELY! A SERGEANT followed an illegal order to shoot an unarmed, surrendering man. A Sergeant. I was taking platoons overseas as a Sergeant - the senior man. No excuse. Sergeant's know better. If the article is correct, he needs to be fried.
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PS: Mr. Recondo, the city I live in is having a lot of problems with crime and shootings in the South end. If the only news you heard about this place was about the South end, you would never move here, thinking the whole city was that way. Apply that logic to Iraq and to the warriors that fight there. All is not as it seems.
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bulk fuel
all is as it seems perception is reality to the iraqi populace regardless of fact |
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What does "bulk fuel" mean? You lost me with that one.
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here we go again, we are prosecuting more soldiers for doing their job, and as always the low ranking soldier pays for everything, If we are to put blame on someone, Why not ? investigate where the order came from, and hold those who gave the order responsible, In Vietnam we sometimes got orders to do something rather, and we were told by our platoon leader this comes from the top, but we never knew how high the top was, we assumed it came from way above everything else, I just think it is not right what we are doing to our troops, they go willingly to accomplish a mission, even thou most of the time the real mission is unclear, they just follow order, that is the way they trained you to follow orders.
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Yeah. Sounds sorta like the testimony given, by a serving senator,in the seventies. All these 'guilties' being heard now, sound as if the SSGT. has been convicted. Are soldiers not allowed the basic American assumption of innocent til proven guilty? Just love these"never been there, never done that" experts crying for hanging before investigation. It seems to be if he's an American service man he's GOT to be guilty. |
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http://uruknet.info/?p=m36659&hd=&size=1&l=e
Americans aren't the only ones to tell such tales. There's a book out called "The Good Old Days" where SS men recount their 'grossaktion' stories. Interesting how such 'war stories' all come out the same. I guess there's something about brutality that you just can't make sound noble. |
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I think that matters not, popsig. Even if there was a way lend the stories you speak of any sense of nobility, you would be right in there, deriding them! "For the sake of argument" must be one of your favorite catch-phrases. Have a nice day up there.
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JUST FOUND NOT GUILTY OF MURDER
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An innocent unarmed Iraqi stumbles upon a snipers lair. This scenario was played out in Afghanistan with four brave Navy Seals and three so-called unarmed innocent Afghanies who stumbled upon their position. The Navy Seals voted to let them go with deadly consequenses. The right thing was done in my book. You have to protect your mission at all costs. Anyone with any background in specops knows this.
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I've never been in combat...I do know a few SPECOPS...
Seems like this is one of those situaitons hat has such a fine line that you get torn between moral convictions and mission...I would hate to sit on the jury for this one...but from what I know and what I have been told...mission first...innocents may have to be sacrificed... |
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AP reported that the first sniper Sandoval was found not guilty of murder  |
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the senior NCO totally overreacted, to give him more "benefit of the doubt" than he deserves. He should've detained this man, searched him and his belongings, then either turned him over to S2 for a bit more intel gathering before letting him go... should he be found to have just stumbled into the wrong place at the wrong time. While this interrogation goes on, the sniper team relocates to another site. PERIOD! Shooting this man was WRONG, based on the evidence presented so far. What a travesty...
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