If a tree falls in a forest and lands on a politician, even if you can't hear the tree or the screams, I'll bet you'd at least hear the applause. Paul Tindale
Ah, popsiq! Could just have been one of those leftover, overlook things. Could have been there for ages, and the unfortunate sheik just got unlucky. Have a good day!~!
The main reason this war is still going on is that everybody else knows how soft and nice we are. If we finally got off our butts and actually started treating this as a war the insurgents would be kissing our feet. It wasn't until we "carpet bombed" one of Germany's cities that the Nazies nearly stopped all their bombing raids.
Originally posted by 1_6Alpha_DOC: The main reason this war is still going on is that everybody else knows how soft and nice we are. If we finally got off our butts and actually started treating this as a war the insurgents would be kissing our feet. It wasn't until we "carpet bombed" one of Germany's cities that the Nazies nearly stopped all their bombing raids.
The nazis stopped their bombing raids once the brits won the Battle of Britian. They stayed stopped because Germany quit producing long range heavy bombers, and even if they didn't, they lacked the fuel, ordnance and escorts to make long range bombing worthwhile.
As far as being "soft and nice", if we were so soft and nice, AQ and their affiliates would be concentrating on killing us, and not on killing Iraqi civilians.
The Iraqi people must confront AQ on their own terms if any gains are going to stick.Its reassuring to see some spine.If they cant shut down the insurgents then all hell will break loose once we are gone.THEY have to do it.
So.... Irag is being ruled not by the-law-of-the-gun but by The-Law-Of-the-IED. All they need is a strong central government to step in and bring law-and-order,right? OK... how 'bout a functioning central government to at least reduce the violence? OK... how 'bout any government sufficient to do anything about the violence? OK... how 'bout....???
"It is a major blow to the council, but we are determined to strike back and continue our work," Rashid said. "Such an attack was expected, but it will not deter us." __________________________________________
"We are determined to strike back and continue our work, ...it will not deter us." Too bad we don't hear that from the "cut 'n run society" in the United States. When I first went to Ramadi just last year, the place was a 24/7 shootout. When I left early this year, it was vastly different by comparison. The coalition of U.S. forces and Iraqi police and militias made that possible by running out the foreign fighters, Syrian agents and al-Qaeda. Only the survivers are in Baghdad having lost Anbar Province to U.S./Coalition (including Iraqi Army) forces, and most of them have since been hunted down and killed by the Sunni militas.
Sheik Abu Risha was a brave man and a martyr by standards in any faith. Likewise, the Sunnis in that area are a tough bunch; they will stand firm if they know that we will support them through this.
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bwf27 Member Posted Thu 13 September 2007 01:41 PM Hide Post So.... Irag is being ruled not by the-law-of-the-gun but by The-Law-Of-the-IED. All they need is a strong central government to step in and bring law-and-order,right? OK... how 'bout a functioning central government to at least reduce the violence? OK... how 'bout any government sufficient to do anything about the violence? OK... how 'bout....???
The mistake made from the beginning was advocating a strong "central" government. Iraq is in the heart of the Middle East, a land of tribal entities sometimes ruled by temporary governments, usually lead by dictators. Far sighted U.S. military leaders, and finally our own State Department are moving to the latter approach (minus the dictator position), which is proving to work at the provincial level. Even Saddam Hussain had to court the tribal leaders throughout Iraq, waging an internal war on the few who refused. Remember, Arab thinking does not tolerate lawlessness close to home; local power and local rule being more pressing than a questionable central government.
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Now if you were a country that was not doing so good & you see how good the countries that had a war with the UNITED STATES, wouldn't you pick a war with us? The only one doing good that we have not had a war with is CHINA. REX
To all those making jokes or jabs about this mans killing,SHAME just pure SHAME.he had more balls to stand up with us against terrorism then any bush hater for sure!!! Death from within
Wasn't it just Tuesday that the "esteemed" members of congress were castigating Iraqi's for not stepping up to the plate.
Of course they were making those comments from the "Blue Zone" safely inside the capitol.
This one Shiekh had shown more testicular fortitude than the entire political structure in the US. Gen. Patreaus will, indeed miss him. Hopefully, another will fill his sandals.
Posted Thu 13 September 2007 03:17 PM Hide Post Wasn't it just Tuesday that the "esteemed" members of congress were castigating Iraqi's for not stepping up to the plate.
Of course they were making those comments from the "Blue Zone" safely inside the capitol.
This one Shiekh had shown more testicular fortitude than the entire political structure in the US. Gen. Patreaus will, indeed miss him. Hopefully, another will fill his sandals.
Good post, Commander, I hope the whiners in Congress can glean something good out of all this. I am certain that the murder of this honorable man will bite back at those responsible. Remember these people are as clanish as they get. Lets hope that the deception, rumors and intrigue that ususally goes with these actions don't succeed in their intended purpose.
May God look over your daughter while she serves in the Gulf region. I will bet that you are very proud of her. I was in Iraq recently and I can't begin to tell you how many young Navy personnel are proudly serving in every imaginal field.
Originally posted by 1_6Alpha_DOC: The main reason this war is still going on is that everybody else knows how soft and nice we are. If we finally got off our butts and actually started treating this as a war the insurgents would be kissing our feet. It wasn't until we "carpet bombed" one of Germany's cities that the Nazies nearly stopped all their bombing raids.
Originally posted by 13865253: Ramadi? Ramadi has been pacified by US forces and anti-Al Qaeda Sunnis. Or as pacified as anything in Iraq is going to get.
Just because it's pacified, doesn't mean that it's not free of small groups of insurgents.
Freakin' A!
Or large groups of Marines. Read all the stories about what a wonderful spot they've made it. Google 'Ramadi' and 'peace'. Those 'insurgents' now all have biometric IDs.
There are a number of historians delving into old subjects of the Middleeast. I am reading a book about "The Intelligence Operations of the British in Palestine 1914 - 1918. It is like reading Jim Reston today. Little has changed in the Arab mind since 1000 AD regarding clan and tribe. Nationalism, nationhood combining blood lines of clans and tribes is as foreign today as perhaps then. Our people forget that our revolt against England, 4 score years later produced "Virginians" and Ohioans who fought and bloodied each other for four years and as late as a 50 years ago discussed with me on a bus in Georgia "you know, we'd beat you yankees today because we have so much more industry". Thank Allah for Tribal leaders who at least want moderate Mohamadism vs the Taliban version.
