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SO HOW MUCH IS YOUR LIFE WORTH? SOON WE IN THE STATES WILL HAVE TO BE INSURGANTS TO KILL THE IMMIGRANT INVADERS. REX
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Iraq war veteran succumbs to cancer
The Capital-Journal
Published Thursday, September 13, 2007
A Fort Riley soldier died from pancreatic cancer Sunday in Wakefield.

Staff Sgt. James P. McManigal, 45, was a motor transport operator assigned to 24th Transportation Company, 1st Sustainment Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. His home of record is Omaha, Neb.



Staff Sgt. James McManigal
McManigal entered the Army in October 1986 and began serving with the 24th Transportation Company in February 2003.

He was one month into his third tour of duty in Iraq when he was diagnosed with cancer.

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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,149061,00.html
SO HOW MUCH IS YOUR LIFE WORTH? SOON WE IN THE STATES WILL HAVE TO BE INSURGANTS TO KILL THE IMMIGRANT INVADERS. REX
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Home : News :
Iraq war veteran succumbs to cancer
The Capital-Journal
Published Thursday, September 13, 2007
A Fort Riley soldier died from pancreatic cancer Sunday in Wakefield.

Staff Sgt. James P. McManigal, 45, was a motor transport operator assigned to 24th Transportation Company, 1st Sustainment Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. His home of record is Omaha, Neb.



Staff Sgt. James McManigal
McManigal entered the Army in October 1986 and began serving with the 24th Transportation Company in February 2003.

He was one month into his third tour of duty in Iraq when he was diagnosed with cancer.

YOU BEEFIN' 'BOUT THE PAY RAISE OR JUST BEEFIN' PERIOD?!
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

Thank you very much, I'll take the pay raise just to keep that money from being squandered elsewhere in the pursuit of votes. But, it won't won't change my view of the incompentance of congress.

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The subcommittee also agreed to fund the manufacture of 12 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, and restored $480 million for a controversial alternate JSF engine program the Pentagon cut from its budget for the second year in a row.

Why are the "esteemed" senators not listening to the Generals about the alternate JSF engine program? Why would they restore funding for a program cut twice before by the Pentagon? Does Byrd have some relative building jet engines in WV from recycled still parts? There's an earmark in them there hills somewhere and its on a pig's ear.

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Originally posted by gmost:
Thank you very much, I'll take the pay raise just to keep that money from being squandered elsewhere in the pursuit of votes. But, it won't won't change my view of the incompentance of congress.

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The subcommittee also agreed to fund the manufacture of 12 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, and restored $480 million for a controversial alternate JSF engine program the Pentagon cut from its budget for the second year in a row.

Why are the "esteemed" senators not listening to the Generals about the alternate JSF engine program? Why would they restore funding for a program cut twice before by the Pentagon? Does Byrd have some relative building jet engines in WV from recycled still parts? There's an earmark in them there hills somewhere and its on a pig's ear.

They also cut funding to upgrade the Abrams tank. Originally, there were[ believe I remember correctly] 9000 tanks built. Not one has been built since. We are down to approx. 5000 with no plans to build anymore. Figuring by manning charts in my day[late 60's] that gives us a 'whopping' 3 1/2 heavy divisions. Wow! 3 1/2 div's to go up against a resurgent USSR[believe it] and a China who has never dis-armed. Hmmm. Steadily losing Armored Divisions and Congress refusing to upgrade the ones we have. How many tanks will our 5000,each, have to knock out to just break even? My day in the 3rd Armored Cav.,Baumholder Germany, we were told we would have to take out at least ten to tie. Also, Nato would write us off after 48hrs with projected 80%+ casualties.Don't have my briefing papers from those days, but I'm sure that tankers stationed there in those days remember. That was when we had full TO&E's[close to anyway]. Shades of WWII, when Congress didn't believe Tanks could survive on the modern battlefield. They hadn't talked to Rommel, Phieffer[?] or Model.

Well, it's better than a kick in backside now ain't it? Morning William, how's it going. Let the boy beef if he wants to . ..won't hurt nothing and this thread's going to go all over the place anyway. I mean, what can you say, the military got a pay raise. Great, or not enough. That's about it really. The real question is will PENSIONS go up by 3.5 percent?

Now Gmost . . .our esteemed Congresscritters have our best interests at heart, you know they do. Just trying to save you boys alittle money that's all . . .

This looks like a good mix carrying a reasonable price tag to provide a more secure military force to defend the United States of America in the future. We must realize that it will require billions to restructure the services after the debilitating fiasco of the past four years. Both human and material resources have been squandered in Iraq.

To pay for the essential rehabilitation of our Army and Marine Corps, will be paid for by ceasing combat operations in Iraq at the earliest date consistant with an organized disengagement of ground forces.

While I believe this should have been started yesterday, the testimony of General Patreaus to the Congress has convinced me that safe withdrawal is probably not feasable until the present politically motivated military staff is replaced. This will require the election of a new Commander in Chief next November. We are probably stuck with a "lame duck war" so long as we have a "lame duck Bush" as President.

It is my opinion that Geoge Bush is incapable of realistic planning and surrounds himself with advisors who are " YES MEN".

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Well, it's better than a kick in backside ....
......... The real question is will PENSIONS go up by 3.5 percent?

YES: unfortunately we each have our partisan axe to grind !

I am uterly amazed to read early American history and find selfless patriots who suffered personal loss to achieve a great political system to support a great nation.

Today I, and it seems all other Americans, lack that liberal fervor and love of their neighbor by which so many of our forebearers were motivated.

I thank God for them and do pray God will help me and others.

I have been led to study the Beatitudes and Sermon on The Mount starting in Matthew Five to "study to show myself approved". May God Bless America !

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Well, it's better than a kick in backside now ain't it? Morning William, how's it going. Let the boy beef if he wants to . ..won't hurt nothing and this thread's going to go all over the place anyway. I mean, what can you say, the military got a pay raise. Great, or not enough. That's about it really. The real question is will PENSIONS go up by 3.5 percent?

Just trying to figure what his beef is, the pay raise or just things in general?
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Originally posted by TPCAT:
Well, it's better than a kick in backside ....
......... The real question is will PENSIONS go up by 3.5 percent?

YES: unfortunately we each have our partisan axe to grind !

I am uterly amazed to read early American history and find selfless patriots who suffered personal loss to achieve a great political system to surrort a great nation.

Today I, and it seems all other Americans, lack that liberal fervor and love of their neighbor.

I do pray God will help me and have been led to study the Beatitudes and Sermon on The Mount starting in Matthew Five "study to show myself approved". May God Bless America !

Don't distort history, who said it was liberals?!
Don't be self promoting and arrogant!
Don't even think there were liberals or conservatives in those days, just Americans!
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Originally posted by gmost:
Thank you very much, I'll take the pay raise just to keep that money from being squandered elsewhere in the pursuit of votes. But, it won't won't change my view of the incompentance of congress.

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The subcommittee also agreed to fund the manufacture of 12 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, and restored $480 million for a controversial alternate JSF engine program the Pentagon cut from its budget for the second year in a row.

Why are the "esteemed" senators not listening to the Generals about the alternate JSF engine program? Why would they restore funding for a program cut twice before by the Pentagon? Does Byrd have some relative building jet engines in WV from recycled still parts? There's an earmark in them there hills somewhere and its on a pig's ear.

I read somewhere that the engine was made in some Democratic Senators district. Its in the Northeast somewhere. Maybe Kennedys or Kerrys, but not sure.

Now I wonder WHAT retirement benifits they will take away or make us pay for?

Do we really have much retirement benifits left?

Ah, Helez, you know as well as I do that Jesus also said: "The laborer is worthy of his hire . . ." And I don't get a pension--ain't old enough . . . so wasn't grinding any cutting implements there. . .

Probably just life in general William. Seems like that kind of day. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.And if there were "liberals" back then, we can always blame them for the mess we're in today . . . Then again, might be Jimmy Carter's fault . . .

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Originally posted by TPCAT:
Well, it's better than a kick in backside ....
......... The real question is will PENSIONS go up by 3.5 percent?

YES: unfortunately we each have our partisan axe to grind !

I am uterly amazed to read early American history and find selfless patriots who suffered personal loss to achieve a great political system to surrort a great nation.

Today I, and it seems all other Americans, lack that liberal fervor and love of their neighbor.

I do pray God will help me and have been led to study the Beatitudes and Sermon on The Mount starting in Matthew Five "study to show myself approved". May God Bless America !

Don't distort history, who said it was liberals?!
Don't be self promoting and arrogant!
Don't even think there were liberals or conservatives in those days, just Americans!
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

Sunliner, reread, liberal is not always a nasty word! It also means a person who is liberal "giving" such things as fervor and love for other people.

Many branches but one brotherhood!

While I am happy about the pay raise, I am still wondering what happened to "each soldier will receive an additional $1,000 for each month of deployment that exceeds 12 months"? I am still trying to find the fine print...

Btw: Good morning/afternoon y'all

Well thank the Congress for the pay raise, after all they gave themselves a hefty raise not too long ago, or did we forget that. Some public servants. Out for themselves first, as usual.

All, in all. 3.5 % ain't a bad deal. Now, as for the other reductions to pay for the “raise”, the legislative boys givith, and taketh. Unfortunately, the "bring home the bacon" mentality still prevails. And you might just have to put about halve the blame on the constitutes, for they are the ones who hold that elective official "accountable" for he can do for his district. The more money, no matter of unnecessary or unwanted elsewhere, the better that representative is.

Remember the unwanted C-130 fiasco? That was ramroded through because the plant for making that particular plane was in the congressman’s district. Simple, no? Extract from an interesting article is below:

http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/hartung01.html

As Sen. John McCain noted during Donald Rumsfeld's confirmation hearings, congressional "add-ons"-weapons systems and construction projects stuck into the budget even though the Pentagon has not requested them-have increased geometrically in the past two decades. When Rumsfeld held office under President Gerald Ford, Congress added $200-300 million a year in home-state "pork" to the defense budget. By the 1990s, McCain asserted, the add-ons had snowballed to some $7 billion annually.7

As an example, McCain spotlighted the Lockheed Martin C-130 transport plane, produced in Marietta, Georgia, and shepherded through Congress by heavy hitters from the South-including former Senate Armed Services Committee member Sam Nunn and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. From 1978 to 1998 (according to a report by the General Accounting Office), the air force requested a total of five C-130s, but Congress voted funds for 256 of the aircraft, surely a record in pork-barrel politics.8 McCain complained there were so many excess C-130s that we could afford to park one in "every schoolyard in America." Without missing a beat, or blushing, the next speaker at the same hearing, Democratic senator Max Cleland of Georgia, said he felt compelled to suggest that the excess C-130s were justified since America needed the capability to deploy our schoolyards anywhere in the world on short notice.

Senator Cleland isn't the only lawmaker who thinks bringing home the bacon is a suitable subject for political humor. When a former Georgia senator, Mack Mattingly, was running to regain his former seat in the U.S. Senate, Sen. Trent Lott joined him for a day of campaigning. The GOP Majority Leader said that if Georgia voters picked "good old Mack," he would keep the lucrative F-22 fighter project at Lockheed's Martin Marietta plant, but if they elected a Democrat, production might move to Lott's Mississippi. Given Lott's proclivity for shoveling defense dollars to his own state for everything from a $1.5 billion Marine helicopter carrier to a space-based laser project, it took a moment for Georgians to realize this was a joke. The irony of Lott's remark was heightened by the fact that Mattingly had just completed a stint as paid lobbyist for Lockheed Martin.9

So, it’s politics as usual, that nasty word with all it’s wonderful connotations. Until someone can come up with a better, workable solution, nothing will change. Just bend with the wind, and congratulations on the raise!~! Have a good day!~!!

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So, it’s politics as usual, that nasty word with all it’s wonderful connotations. Until someone can come up with a better, workable solution, nothing will change. Just bend with the wind, and congratulations on the raise!~! Have a good day!~!!

Yep SL it is, and don't we just love to moan about it . . . if it weren't for politics, well nobody would have anything to complain about and they wouldn't like that at all. And Mil.com would close down . . .so ain't politics great?

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It is my opinion that Geoge Bush is incapable of realistic planning and surrounds himself with advisors who are " YES MEN".

Funny you should mention that, my feeling is that there is no canidate worth voting for in this next election. All have this
"need for greed" and their own personal Agendas on how to change Constitution.
Who Am I voting for, answer is obvious...Foghorn Leghorn and is running mate Wyle E. Coyote