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Originally posted by 14964771:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,147963,00.html

TRULY CONTROVERSIAL

“The truth from an old Army Warrant Officer - that is an oxymoron, right?”

At least that’s the way this old soldier sees it!

WOPA! If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand! And, if I told you … well you know how that goes.

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George Soros had incorporated MoveOn into his Shadow Party. Following the September 17, 2003 meeting between Soros and Boyd mentioned in Part 1, Soros and his associates poured nearly $6.2 million into MoveOn over a period of six months, according to the Center for Public Integrity. The contributions include $2.5 million from George Soros personally; $2.5 million from Peter B. Lewis of Progressive Insurance; $971,427 from Peter Bing of Shangri-La Entertainment; $100,000 from Benson & Hedges tobacco heir Lewis Cullman; and $101,000 from Soros’ 34-year-old son Jonathan T. Soros, an attorney and financier recently promoted to deputy manager of Soros Fund Management LLC.



Jonathan Soros has become personally involved with MoveOn.org’s activities. In December 2003, he collaborated with techno-rocker Moby to organize “Bush in 30 Seconds,” an online contest for the best 30-second anti-Bush TV ad. MoveOn agreed to air the winning commercial on national television. Among the 1,500-odd submissions to the contest were two ads juxtaposing footage of George W. Bush and Adolf Hitler. MoveOn posted these ads on its site. Under pressure from Jewish groups and Republicans, MoveOn pulled the Hitler ads and apologized for them. [10]



Despite such gaffes, MoveOn need not worry about its media image. Major networks and newspapers pour forth an endless flood of free publicity for the group. Calculated in terms of equivalent advertising fees, the millions MoveOn raises in political contributions doubtless pales in value beside the worshipful profiles and saccharine coverage which major media never tire of bestowing upon Boyd and Blades’ Web site and political campaigns.

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They did much the same thing during WWI they brought Sgt Alvin C. York, plus many others and WW2 it was the Iwo Jima Flag Raisers. The program was called “War Bond Tours.” The bigger news is the fact that some channels will not run them.

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Originally posted by OneThreeMarine:
One of the ads features a soldier who lost both legs in Fallujah last December warning that "everything I've given and sacrificed will mean nothing" if the United States pulls out of Iraq. Another features a woman recalling how she lost an uncle on Sept. 11, 2001, and a husband in Iraq and warning that "it will mean more attacks in America" if the United States withdraws from Iraq.

That is really tacky, considering the government doesn't want to deal with us after the fighting is over. I would like to see how many of these people have a vested interest in the corporations with no-bid contracts in Iraq.

The bottom line is the war isn't about freedom. It's now about trying to scare us with threats and it's always about money...money...money. Someone is making big money or we wouldn't be there.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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They did much the same thing during WWI they brought Sgt Alvin C. York, plus many others and WW2 it was the Iwo Jima Flag Raisers. The program was called “War Bond Tours.” The bigger news is the fact that some channels will not run them.

Nah, not really the same sir...not at all.

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Originally posted by 14964771:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,147963,00.html

TRULY CONTROVERSIAL

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So how many more of our young people have to lose body parts, their lives, and their very sense of self before we decide enough is enough?

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Originally posted by tgm196:
did anybody watch hannitys america on fox last night? he compared WW2 to the war in iraq?

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Originally posted by OneThreeMarine:
One of the ads features a soldier who lost both legs in Fallujah last December warning that "everything I've given and sacrificed will mean nothing" if the United States pulls out of Iraq. Another features a woman recalling how she lost an uncle on Sept. 11, 2001, and a husband in Iraq and warning that "it will mean more attacks in America" if the United States withdraws from Iraq.

That is really tacky, considering the government doesn't want to deal with us after the fighting is over. I would like to see how many of these people have a vested interest in the corporations with no-bid contracts in Iraq.

The bottom line is the war isn't about freedom. It's now about trying to scare us with threats and it's always about money...money...money. Someone is making big money or we wouldn't be there.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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They did much the same thing during WWI they brought Sgt Alvin C. York, plus many others and WW2 it was the Iwo Jima Flag Raisers. The program was called “War Bond Tours.” The bigger news is the fact that some channels will not run them.

Ah Yes Sir exactly the same, only updated. Yes Sir. The same.


Nah, not really the same sir...not at all.

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Originally posted by OneThreeMarine:
dwgerard:
Hmm, so I guess saying it's about money is not as good as saying "you're a traitor" if you don't agree with current policy?

It is about money. You're just blind to the issue as a Republican. Did the general accounting office make up the 8 billion or so that's missing? What about 190,000 AK-47s?

The whole thing is a joke and it's getting worse. The war will never end. It isn't supposed to end. Big business makes too much money.

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Originally posted by dwgerard:
If you read what you have said objectively, you actually just said that if someone says something you do not agree with, it is not freedom of speech, its about money. And your rehashing of the no-bid contract issue has already be shown to be bogus, as all of the "no-bids" were either not "no-bid" contracts at all or were properly awarded with very few exceptions. Notice the silence on this subject in the media now, where it simply drops a story that it gets wrong rather than admit their story was false. 95% of the "no-bid" contracts that they were writing about were delivery orders issued from competed contracts awarded well in advance of the war or in follow on contracts awarded during the war. If you really want to know what that means, check out the Defense Aquisition Unversity or look up "IDIQ Delivery Order contracts" in Google.

A good discussion on ID/IQ contracts:

http://knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov/cops/hcx.nsf/discussionDi...cting&tab=DISCUSSION

List of ID/IQ topics at DAU:

http://acquire.dau.mil/www/SearchResult.aspx?q=id/iq%20...contracts&l=www_slib

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Washington, DC - Senate Democratic freshman ... introduced a bill to establish an independent, bipartisan Commission on Wartime Contracting to investigate U.S. wartime contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan ...

The Commission will study and investigate the impact of the government's growing reliance on civilian contractors to perform wartime functions. It will assess the extent of waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement of wartime contracts, and the extent to which those responsible have been held accountable.

The Commission will work in consultation with a newly-expanded Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) that will be authorized to audit defense wartime contracts for logistics support, as well as other federal agency contracts for security and intelligence functions in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. This collaborative effort will result in specific findings and recommendations to improve inter-agency wartime contracting.

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Originally posted by usmc_family:

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Originally posted by tgm196:
did anybody watch hannitys america on fox last night? he compared WW2 to the war in iraq?

Does this mean Hannity called for a draft, and for massive tax increases?

If not, it's just hot air.

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Originally posted by tgm196:
did anybody watch hannitys america on fox last night? he compared WW2 to the war in iraq?