RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,146799,00.html

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., quickly dismissed Bush's position.

"President Bush's attempt to compare the war in Iraq to past military conflicts in East Asia ignores the fundamental difference between the two," he said. "Our nation was misled by the Bush administration in an effort to gain support for the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses, leading to one of the worst foreign policy blunders in our history."

"Bush lied" has become a tired and stale mantra of the Joseph Goebbel wing of the extremist left. This approach has been discredited so many times that it, itself, has become the lie.

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have had control of congress for nearly 8 months. If Reid's above statement has any credibility beyond political depravity, impeachment proceedings would have commenced last February.

It is sad that Reid and his ilk do and, did, not recognize the gravity and seriousness of sending the military to war.

Since the link that was posted has a decidedly pro-Bush and pro-WAR title I think only fair that we really discuss the war in Iraq and President Bush’s role in it. Both “Pro-War” and “Anti-War” people should be heard, there should be a free and open discussion of this matter as it concerns all of us.

This was at the end of the article. Are you serious about us discussing the pros and cons of the war.

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Sound Off...What do you think? Join the discussion.

This thread begs for adult supervision.

There being none on this end, you're stuck with the MODs. This might be an interesting opportunity to try to find some middle ground and have an even-handed give and take on the issues here.

What do you think?

That would be "role".

And a rehearsal of populist Democratic talking points, long since discredited (to no effect on the leftist echo chamber) would serve little purpose.

This and other sites are engaged in preventing a repetition of the Cronkhite Calumny which destroyed America's military and most of SE Asia for 20+ years; the stakes are even higher this time.

Fortunately, Reid et al have the credibility and charisma of Uriah Heep.

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Originally posted by OldAFcop:
This thread begs for adult supervision.

There being none on this end, you're stuck with the MODs. This might be an interesting opportunity to try to find some middle ground and have an even-handed give and take on the issues here.

What do you think?

I'll try real hard. It will take longer to write something less ranting but I will try. See you tomorrow night.

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Bush: History to Prove War Worth It

In what way was it worth it. Do you mean as a conquest or in terms of money spent, do you feel we are getting a good return on our investment? Do you mean in terms of lives lost for what gain? The lives lost are now over 3750 Americans, not counting contractors and unknown thousands of Iraqs. The damage to soldiers families is incalcuable, the broken homes, children without fathers or mothers. Not to mention PTSD and those who will suffer a lifetime from it.

Just how do you mean "Worth It"?

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Originally posted by AT3_1959:

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Originally posted by OldAFcop:
This thread begs for adult supervision.

There being none on this end, you're stuck with the MODs. This might be an interesting opportunity to try to find some middle ground and have an even-handed give and take on the issues here.

What do you think?

I'll try real hard. It will take longer to write something less ranting but I will try. See you tomorrow night.

History will have to be significantly better at convincing, selling and encouraging others, for the administration failed miserably.

And blaming the Democrats, the French, RINOs and anyone else the administration either failed to convince to assist or lost their assistance isn't going to change that.

If you can't convince others to agree with you or lost many who previously agreed with you, there's seemingly an INTERNAL failure in the leadership, the overall goals or the Plans themselves.

A particular case was made that we had to send more resources to Iraq than anywhere else on the planet, to include Afghanistan. They made the case, not their detractors; what BECAME of that Dire/Immediate Case anyway?

Now one of those countries was seemingly a bigger cause (Afghanistan, I recall that's the locale of the enemy that attacked us?), much bigger, yet we sent more to the other. There's your disconnect right there.

If you have a shot transmission, why would you spend a lot more money on a Paint job?

And a few HIGHLY experienced warfighters stipulated a lot more troops would be needed if they were going in regardless.

Does anybody know what happened when they were ignored?

Weapon depots were left unsecured and the Army we defeated was allowed (by someone's decision) to fall back into the general population WHILE the weapons were unsecured. There's another huge disconnect.

Costs of the war were stated to be paid for by the very country we were invading and occupying, that didn't happen.

Does anybody know what happened to that fellow that made that grandiose claim?

There are many, many others.

That's why the administration needs history to exonerate them.

Because Their past and present fully indict them today.

A goal that can't be accomplished alone may STILL be worthy but how will you get it accomplished if you FAIL to convince others??????

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I believe the President has made some very valid points and analogies to history with respect to cause and effect...

History has shown that the Muslim Extremists will wage war for decades if not centuries to spread their ideology and be in control of all religious and non-religious beliefs rendering any individual opinions or speech to the contrary against their laws...usually punishable by torture and death...

How long are they willing to openly wage this war this century before they go back underground to rebuild their forces?

Or how long will it be before the world finally stands against them and silences their attempts for power and control?

I predict that history will find our incursion into Iraq to be the American watershed of three centuries of moral righteousness: the beginning of the decline of the Republic.

The Imperial President will be viewed as many of the Roman Emporers were: morally corrupt and ill-prepared for leadership responsibilities.

I do have faith that America will emerge a better nation having lost it's illusion of being the keeper of all peoples. We will see that we are one nation among many and that each nation needs to respect the other for survival.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

I beleive we had to be there and should be there. This war was going to happen NO matter what. We have been training for it sence Vietnam ended. Look at the desert training the army has been doing in California, and other placed. I mean you do not have to have a Phd to see that. Look at all the bombing around the world all these years. Look at the towers, how meany times have they been a target. Come on people................

The biggest problem we have with this war is , the media. They never report the good stuff only the bad. And taht is because we as people get a rush on the bad. Good news is boring. I have a friend over tehre as a truck drive for one of those companies. He told us about the good that is happening over there. The people want us. But it will take time. We are not fighting the Iraq people it all the redicals from other countries. WALK UP AMERICA keep an open mind and support the troops. They beleive in this war.

F- - K the media
Thank you troops I love ya and will SUPPORT you to the end.................

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"Bush lied" has become a tired and stale mantra of the Joseph Goebbel wing of the extremist left. This approach has been discredited so many times that it, itself, has become the lie.

Just as lieing has become a tired and stale method of the Joseph Goebbel wing of the extremist right. This approach has been discredited so many times that it, itself, has become the lie.

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Bush: History to Prove War Worth It

Did history ever prove the Vietnam war was worth it? I must have missed that.

It is sad Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and their ilk do and, did, not recognize the gravity and seriousness of sending the military to war.

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Just how do you mean "Worth It"?

Chickenhawks who never served are making lots of money.

My take is that no one really minded being lied to about the reasons for attacking Iraq or getting rid of Saddam Husein. What people are upset about is the mess the Bush administration has made of Iraq and that we are losing ground in Afghanistan and the entire middle east because of it. Top that off with the rising power of Iran and you can see the fine mess the Bushies have gotten us into.

I recognize the gravity and seriousness of sending our Military to war, and I support them and the CIC!!

That's nice lilkarl. Anyone in your family over in the sandbox staying the course, fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here, and fighting for victory?

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Originally posted by bill_kananen:
It is sad Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and their ilk do and, did, not recognize the gravity and seriousness of sending the military to war.

Bill...when is sending the miltary to war NOT a serious business...

Perhaps I have missed something as well...isn't the military in the business of war...

I have to echo the question; in what capacity will the loss of life be “worth it”?