RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,146618,00.html It is my opinion, from reading this article, that General Fay should be charged with dereliction of duty. It is inconcievable that any officer would consumate such negligence under the circumstances.
wonder how the "bad guys" treat US troops when captured and imprisoned...... T/Y liberal media for making such a big issue out of this - probably got a lot of US killed from it from angry Iraqi's
You think they would read us our rights!!!!!!!!!! You will notice they didn't go after regular army. Allways have a fall guy. That is a job nobody in their right mind would want.
Morning boys and girls . . .hope all is well in your neck of the woods where ever that might happen to be. Raining in the UK. Now, trouble is, there are legal technicalities, and I would think the judge in this one decided that there was no point in going on with the trial when whatever verdict was reached would just be over turned on appeal. And as for how well it goes down in Baghdad, well who cares?
It is as usual the high ranking officers take care of their own whats next a promotion for him. sounds like a loophole to get off. he was in command and had to have had knowkedge of what happened or maybe ordered it. The Enlisted are paying for that as usual.
This whole case really BITES! Ever since the day this fiasco hit the newstands, my question was "where are the officers?" I don't care if they are reservists or active duty, officers and senior enlisted should have HUNG for allowing this stuff to go on.
Besides, if you ask me, the military intelligence folks encourage the behavior.
I would like someone to tell me why they can convict and imprison all the junior enlisted folks with ease, whilst the officers skated off with a slap on the wrist, early retirement, and/or nothing? I was in the US Military Police, and then got my commission and went into Air Force intelligence. None of the officers I ever worked with would have let this go on without their knowledge. And the senior and middle enlisted NCO's? Either they would have been in the middle of it, or they would have stopped it.
Why weren't these people making the rounds in the prison on all the shifts? In the Air Force, we had 100-120 on operations shift and the full bird was in there all shifts, all holidays and he knew what was going on in his operations area. All the folks down the line followed his lead.
In the Army, we had Provost Marshals, Desk Sergeants, Platoon Leaders and Platoon Sergeants. They rode patrol with us, spent time in the MP station, and reviewed all the reports and activities of the military police specialists. If such a long-term involved "problem" had existed, they would have nipped it in the bud. OR they would have been hung out to dry by the batallion commander himself. Heck, I even remember the batallion commander coming out to our patrol areas to see for himself what HIS people were doing.
If these officers did not know what was going on, then hang them for THAT.
It's a travesty of justice when they execute the most junior enlisted personnel and allow this to happen. This whole incident is an on-going nightmare. It illustrates the fact that the entire chain of command was guilty...and they should be properly punished.
Originally posted by flyerdown326: wonder how the "bad guys" treat US troops when captured and imprisoned...... T/Y liberal media for making such a big issue out of this - probably got a lot of US killed from it from angry Iraqi's
How can we SELL Democracy in the MEast by advocating Criminal Conduct in the treatment of the very people we claim we're liberating?
And why would you blame others for experiencing, witnessing or reporting it?
How about when that rogue Army PFC raped and killed a girl and her family and convinced a few other soldiers to participate; should that have not been investigated, prosecuted or reported?
Even Colin Powell, the President, Rumsfeld and others NOT considered Media or Liberal spoke against the abuses, were they wrong?
In my opinion I don't think anyone should of been charged. These people whom we contain torture the american people also. If the people we are at war with torture the american people whom they captured ,cut off the heads of american people and throw them into the street and they don't get punished and these american people push or spit on them go to prison??? ahhhhhh I don't think so. I say screw them. If you look at articles in local paper or national news and read the things that happened to the american people and then you read stories about the american people torturing these prisoniers. Just think what they do to us when we are in the enemies captivity??? thanks
Originally posted by 6740100: In my opinion I don't think anyone should of been charged. These people whom we contain torture the american people also. If the people we are at war with torture the american people whom they captured ,cut off the heads of american people and throw them into the street and they don't get punished and these american people push or spit on them go to prison??? ahhhhhh I don't think so. I say screw them. If you look at articles in local paper or national news and read the things that happened to the american people and then you read stories about the american people torturing these prisoniers. Just think what they do to us when we are in the enemies captivity??? thanks
We're not going to win the OVERall struggle by OUT Torturing them.
One of the reasons (if you believe our leaders) for being in Iraq is to provide them a better way of life.
Which in turn will convince a Would-Be Terrorist, not to become one.
Out Tourturing them or condoning conduct thereof will not accomplish that.
The defense argued during an October hearing that interrogation conditions were set by two other officers: Col. Thomas Pappas, an intelligence brigade commander who was the highest-ranking officer at Abu Ghraib, and Capt. Carolyn Wood, leader of a unit within the interrogation center called the Interrogation Command Element.
Neither Pappas nor Wood has been charged with crimes. Pappas was reprimanded and fined $8,000 for once approving the use of dogs during an interrogation without higher approval.
Why is that the two named above who appear to be directly involved are let off so lightly?
Go Figure.... None of them should have been charged in the first place.... it is amazing that the Lt. Col. gets charges dropped but the Enlisted will pay the full price....
They need to have a firewall between them (corrupt civilian leadership) and their illegal policies. The lower up the chain of command they can stop a situation like this, the less likely they'll be put in the slammer themselves.
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