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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,146498,00.html
What's going to happen if somebody else attacks us? This is not a good situation. |
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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,146498,00.html
What can you continue to expect from a President who when even in the private sector bankrupted just about every business he entered. George W Bush and Dick (He really is a dick) Cheney do not care about our Military, they care about keeping their fat cat Oil Execs and Haliburton making blood money nothing more. Mr Kagen of the American Enterprise Institute says ""The Army will do what's necessary and will pay a very high price if necessary," said Kagan. "but I'm hopeful that it won't come to that and I honestly don't think that it will." I bet he does not have a Son or daughter over there and I doubt anyone working at the American Enterprise Institute has any relatives serving either. It is time to quit wasting American Lives and Money in the Middle East. If they refuse to assimilate nuke em quit wasting our troops. |
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Assimilate? Who are you? The Borg? |
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Hey guys!! This is an AP story. It is bull ****. They have assimilated the defeatist attitude of the socialist-democrats in this country and they have been promoting that anti-war, anti-American agenda for years. If a story has the AP byline- don't buy it!!
Do you really believe that in 2007, after a few years of very low level warfare with fewer casualties than if all those guys had been out driving on our own nation's highways our entire military and nation are exhausted? That we are now vulnerable to invasion and defeat inflicted by such powers as Canada and Luxembourg? This is nothing but more anti-war, anti-Bush propaganda put out by one of the least trust worthy organizations on earth. The AP is our enemy. Don't believe them. Who the heck has hijacked this forum anyway? P.S.: Herds....: You win your bet. George Bush has NO sons at all. He has two daughters, neither of whom has served in a combat position in either Iraq, Afghanistan or Viet Nam. Your doubts about the children of members of the American Enterprise Institute are still being researched but I would have to say that your intuition about Mr. Bush's family is really amazing and quite prescient. It is clear that your knowledge and abilities to put facts (such as they are) together is most impressive. Keep up the good work. Your talents are wasted here as you should be doing news analysis for some major organization. Thanks for the post. |
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Bring back the draft
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So you're saying General Casey doesn't believe; ""The demand for our forces exceeds the sustainable supply," the Army chief of staff, Gen. George Casey, said last week. "Right now we have in place deployment and mobilization policies that allow us to meet the current demands. If the demands don't go down over time, it will become increasingly difficult for us to provide the trained and ready forces" for other missions." Or did the Press make up the quote and attributed to the General to discredit him? Saying or even really believing something (like your comments) don't make it factual. The General (not some Liberal, unless you think the General is a covert Agent for MoveOn.Org?) said it's not sustainable, not Michael Moore. |
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No one has highjacked the Forum, we are ALL Combat Veterans here, and not everyone blindly follows the guy in the White House. The whole thing about Freedom is if you ignore it and don't use your rights, they begin to disappear. Read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence sometime. Nowhere does it say blindly follow the President. It does however say to question your elected Officials.
So it is not just your forum. If it were it would be a pretty uninteresting one with just opinions like yours. |
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about 200,000 deployed in the middle east plus (counting Kuwait) with over a million soldiers are active duty. it makes sense to utilize the draft. why is it mandatory for males to sign in the selective service? utilize it. I been in the military since '83 and this has drained me. but again, the bottom line is money. where are the profits from this war?
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Leslie: You're only old in your own mind - you haven't even drawn your first Social Security check or became eligible for Medicare. Then again, I notice that as a retired civil servant, you don't do either unless you worked somewhere else to become eligible. Since you are highly knowledgeable, where in the government did you work? Since you consider the AP story as BS, I thought I check your credentials. In addition, where did you served in combat to know what the stresses, of which there are many, that a soldier endures. Lastly, 30 years of marriage does not qqualify you are being combat ready - I've earned that distinction with 51 years and a good conduct medal - get back to me when you get there. |
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How about we knock off the personal diatribes here and go with the story at hand?
Thanks much. "There are those who believe there are two types of people in the world: Those who believe there are two types of people; and those who don't." John Mahoney... |
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People who unthinkingly spread lies about the risks of combat sometimes try to hijack this forum. With respect, ltcbj, you should not be one of the people who spread that lie. To see that it's a lie, work the numbers yourself. We have about 75,000 troops who regularly see combat in Iraq. Each year, about 750 of those troops are killed, and about 10X that many are wounded badly enough to require evacuation. That is a mortality rate of about one percent, per year. And I absolutely guarantee you that Gen. Mattis, and our other top military leaders, are aware of this number, and do all they can to reduce it. Semper Fi! If the American public had that same mortality rate, there would be about three million automobile fatalities each, and about thirty million severe injuries. That rate is high enough, that within a decade, every single American would be severely injured. The point is simple. Combat duty in Iraq is enormously more dangerous, than *any* civilian occupation. The people who claim differently, are either inexcusably ignorant, or flat-out lying for purposes of political gain. And folks who spread that lie, are doing no service to our brave troops. One big change on this forum, shared by everyone, is that no one has any tolerance left at all, for what Col. H. R. McMaster called "arrogance, weakness, lying in the pursuit of self-interest, and, above all, the abdication of responsibility to the American people." |
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Strong and knowledgeable Leaders need to know the limitations of their forces if they ever expect to win a war. Of course knowing the same about their enemy might help also.
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Great point, knowing either can be considered at least getting 1/2 Way there but knowing NEITHER will get you Nowhere. |
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I have little doubt that our combat brigades are being worn out both in personel and equipment at a rapid rate.
On the other hand we are trying hard to fight this Islamofacists War On-THE-Cheap! That is not the ARMY OR MARINES fault but that of our Government. Congress sometime ago bought into the All-Volunteer Force, which has been to it's limits a terrific fighting force full of dedicated warriors of the finest tradition. The problem now is there are NOT ENOUGH of them. I do not see the political will to expand the forces beyond the meager 65,000 additonal planned for the Army as it dribbles in. I suppose the old saying of "follow-the-money" will be at play here as well. How can we field an effective fighting force for this war (and yes it is a war), if we have a Congress hell bent on dribbling money away for a Corn Museum, highways and bridges to no-where, etc. My prediction is we will run as the Dem's want us too and we will attempt to "talk to" the scum of the Islamofacists and wonder why we cannot "reason" with them. Furthermore we will shrink our fighting forces for some sort of Peace Dividend after the Dems declare Victory. To borrow a phrase from our Marine's... I hate to see "The Few, The Proud" frittered away because we seem to lack real leadership at any level of our government. |
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You ask where are the profits from this war? The draft evader and his buddy Dick are both into big oil. The Bush family and some of their skull and bones buddies had the first drilling permit in the gulf of mexico. Family business big oil. Dick is a past CEO of Haliburton which is big oil among other things. In 2005 Dick recieved 186,000 dollars in defered compensation from Haliburton not counting other compensation. Talk about putting the fox in the hen house. All you Bush-Chaney advocates need to get your head out of rectal defilade and research the facts. DI class 18 candidate 18 Fort Polk Louisiana DI school, Senior Drill A-3-1, Viet Nam VET.
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This may seem a simple and silly analogy but when you first teach a baby to walk, you hold their hands to be sure they dont topple over. Eventually you have to let the child go to stand on his own. How long must we do without our husbands and fathers as they hold the hands of these other people. At some point in time they must learn to walk on their own. We cant be pollitically responsible for them forever.
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Great point, after all isn't it the lack of leadership in The White House and Both Houses of Congress that brought us to this point?
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We are rapidly approaching the end-state of an administration that was ill-prepared for war and knew very little about the region in which they were going to fight.
As much as I fault the administration for its incompetence and outright boobery in Iraq, fault rests solely at the feet of our general and flag officers who simply refused to do their duty in telling the truth of the matter when this started, did not demand a competent and coherent post-combat strategy for Iraq, and continue to allow the Army (and to a lesser degree, the Corps) to be run into the ground with endless deployments that seem only to get longer everytime. The only general officer, GEN Shinseki, tried to tell the truth and was cut off at the knees for it. I never cared much for many of GEN Shinseki's policies (esp. the black beret fiasco), but at least he manned up when he testified before congress, even though he knew it would mean the end for him. And you didn't see him jump on the bandwagon about a year or so ago when all the generals who retired tried to "tell all". Shinseki has had the decency not to do that, although he would be more than justified in doing so. |
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The time to reinstate the draft is long overdue.
The all-volunteer force was never intended to sustain this level of combat deployments...never. It was intended to give the selective service system time to gear up for a full mobilization. The draft should have been reinstituted the moment our beloved ChickenHawk-in-Chief uttered the words "Global War on Terror" and his VP Dick "Deferment King" Cheney said "war without end". This "Noble Cause" demands the sacrifice of every able-bodied man and woman between 18 and 27 for immediate infantry training and deployment to combat zones worldwide. No deferments. No exeptions. No excuses. Time to sign up, flag-wavers. Right now. Don't be shy; there are veterans all around you who will be happy to show you where the local recruiting office is. Oh, by the way...the BMW stays in the driveway, kid. |
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Iraq and its "army" are milking the US for all its worth. Force them to do ther jobs and get the F%uck out.
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