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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,145174,00.h...____________________
So the wonam Judge likes mammals.What ever. |
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Well ... first I think your link doesn't work. Hopefully, this link will.
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Cant conduct sonar drills off the coast of the country so as to be prepared to fight when the need arrises. Go into international waters where the "off the coast of commiefornia" wont be an issue. I think the official limit is around 12 miles... I wonder what the liberal dummycrates will think when the war finally comes over here. I think its long overdue for a war to actually be fought on our soil. In all of its gore. It just might wake up the morons in this country.
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AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! As soon as something happens and we can not locate a Chinese sub they will be the first ones to ***** about the NAVY. Hope this gets overturned real quickly.
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This is less useful in an environment where naval warfare is shifting to the littorals. We already KNOW how to fight blue-water wars. Japan learned that lesson. |
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I wonder how this judge would feel if a Chinese SSBN parker off the California coast and lobbed some huge nukes into the People's Republic of California? On second thought...not a bad idea. We get rid of a whoel bunch of liberals, illegal aliens in one swoop. Chicoms..come on down.
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Since Japan was far better prepared to fight that blue-water war than we were, from destroyers to torpedoes to surface attacks at night to almost every category of aircraft, it is fortunate that we had time to learn our lesson ... not to underestimate our potential opponents. It would be a pity to forget it now, when we are unlikely to get nearly enough time to recover.  |
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Ahem ... you have to consider that we did give the country Ronald Reagan, which has to account for something (and some of us were happy enough to get rid of him). How did you enjoy your time on Pier 19? |
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HHMMmm; They going to HIRE a WHALE to monitor the Navy? Maybe they are looking for OIL & not telling anyone that can screw things up. We use explosions to get a reading of the BED ROCK where there may be pockets of OIL, is why I mentioned this. REX
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MOLE, Explain how R. REAGAN took a FREE school system & screwed it up. REX
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i thought the Navy would be above some judge working for some environmentalists??
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Do your Sonar drills 7 miles out thats international waters and the judges rule has no bearing there
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One of the principal reasons I wasn't unhappy to see him go, and refuse to sign petitions for his sainthood. This isn't the thread to do it on, though. |
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Yes, our Military needs to test its emerging technologies to maintain OUR safety. But No one knows for sure what the damage can be as a result of such testing off the Califorina coast, or anywhere else for that matter. We have no idea how far reaching the Sonar signals may be. The wales communicate over thousands of miles using their own methods, The testing could interrupt such communications. Whe we lose a type of life form, we all lose a part of ourselves. Who is to say that the sonar signal might kill off or damage one of the steps in the food chain that eventually feeds millions of people. I might sound like a liberal, but if we do not start being good stewards of this planet one day it will be too late, for all of us.
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I believe a simple scientific study on a smaller whale would prove or disprove said claim. I believe it is worth looking into but the bottom line is sonar is the only proven means of detecting threats to national security and must be the priority.
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Passive devices can discriminate between mechanical and biological sources. They should suffice in peacetime. Computers can be used to simulate wartime conditions - so the equipment can be utilized for training.
In a war situation, the mammals have to take their chances. How about waiting until then. I'm with the judge, that's what 'freedom' is all about. |
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We need the sonar traing, it dosen't effect the whales one bit. I served 30 yrs in the Navy and was on a lot of war games where sonar was used and we didn't see any dead or confused whales surface and swim in circles or beach themselves. Leave it to Californian to come up with some stupid idea lie that....
BMCS Nick.. |
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The issue here with the environmentalist is not the ocean but the military. And the real question that remains to be answered is why do whales beach themselves. Whales have been beaching themselves before Sound Navigation and Ranging (SONAR) and I am sure SONAR has had some impact on the whales beaching themselves. But too these environmentalist and the Judge with the hyphenated name it is all the military’s fault. And now with President Bush supporting the NAVY's stance it is all a nasty Neo-Con conspiracy. Forget the fact that Russia has increased it use of miniature submarines and the Columbian drug cartels have also been using miniature submarines, which also opens up the door to a new form of smuggling people into our borders. The NAVY is protecting our coasts and having to do it with environmentalist groups fulfilling their agendas with no regard to the protection of our coasts. Next thing you know we will be passing laws to protect birds from being fried on our RADAR masts. Every year there are around 2000 whales, dolphins and porpoises (Cetacea’s) that beach themselves but when compared to the entire species it is irrelevant. Like I said at the beginning the issue here with the environmentalist is not the ocean but the military.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by oldmole:
One of the principal reasons I wasn't unhappy to see him go...[QUOTE] heh heh....California's loss was Our country's gain. |
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WOW! I for one am thoroughly impressed to pieces by your ingenious leap of logic and scientific storehouse of knowledge on all creatures of the sea. Its been said that almost 75% or more of the species of life that evolved on this planet have gone extinct. So far, humanity has survived [for better or worse]. Its highly unlikely that pinging a sonar will lead to the extinction of the mammals of the seas. It could conceivably save your sorry liberal hind parts when and if one of our many enemies decides to launch some nukes into the great nation of commiefornia. BTW, anyone got proof or evidence that sonar causes extinction in sea mammals? |
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