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They have deployable systems. And ones in use. They are trying to sell their system and WE are somehow out of step for developing and setting up our own? WTF!
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What is it you're scared of this time OAFTT? Last time it was replica submarines. |
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If the Russians have a deployable anti ballistic missile system what has Putin been whining about? It is obvious the numbers of such missiles we plan to deploy in Europe would have absolutely no affect on the number of missiles they could launch at the U.S. and our allies. Perhaps his protests were based on his own nation's plans to implement a much greater missile defense system to counter our ability to strike at Russia.
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Christ people... why can we not see that sometimes a country is just looking after its interests (just like we do). The way I read this article; this is just a like our patriot missile system. I could be wrong, but it does not look to be a system capable of neutralizing ICBMs.
Historically Russia is a stubborn advisory, but that also makes them a good ally. I truly hope that our country sees the wisdom of being friends with Russia. The "Bear" does not betray its friends. Full disclosure: my wife is Russian, and I have since gone there many times. |
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I do wonder why Putin is so against our system... but then again I do not know why we are not working together on an anti missile system. There must be something we do not know. Another question I have is why are we putting an anti missile system in Eastern Europe, when we know darn well that the first unfriendly missile will be bound for Israel? |
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Good post. After reading it I went back and reread the article. I must confess after the initial read I was thinking anti-ICBM and did not even think of ballistic missiles in terms of SCUDs. Upon doing a little research it appears the Russian system is indeed in the Patriot class of anti tactical ballistic missile system. As you said Russia is a great nation with a highly patriotic population. The problem is not with the people but with their leadership. Putin appears to be moving back towards the ways of the Communists, and away from the democratic advances made since the fall of the Soviet Union. This includes the increasingly hostile stance he has taken in reference to the U.S.A. Obviously all parties concerned would be better off if we can calm the tensions and enter into a more cooperative engagement. |
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Could be the rather large US bases we have in Europe that are full of our families and would make a prime target for Mahdi screaming jihadi's like Imastartajihad  |
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Indeed. It is interesting that the mayor of my wife's city (Kazan) was appointed the governor of a Siberian republic (republic = a state) last year. As fair as anyone knows he had never even been there before, but now he is the governor. It was done shortly after the old mayor was reelected. The new mayor of Kazan was appointed as well. I guess an election would have taken too much time. Honestly though, Russians do not care too much. If they do not care; why do we? Right now I think they are happy to have cars and food without lines. |
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My impressions about the Russians is that they have a vision of themselves as a great people and have a very strong sense of history. Given that history, they did not look at our unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty in the same way we did ... mutually assured destruction had preserved both countries for a long time, and independent development of an anti-missile system raised at least the possibility of a first strike ... and history teaches the Russians to take possibilities seriously. Americans gave the Soviets the respect due to people capable of vaporizing them at any moment. Russia gets roughly the respect of Luxembourg ... and they find this annoying. Of all people, Condi Rice, whose academic expertise is concentrated on Soviet studies, should know better.  |
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No, I live to far from the Ocean to have them bother me. Only thing I can think of that might scare me is our Senator Hillary taking the White House......yeah, That's scary. |
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Excellent observation. We definitely have overplayed the "only super power left" card. As discussed in other threads, Russia is in a far superior economic position then they were when the Soviet Union crumbled while we run deficits at every level from the federal government down to the family. We are a debtor nation and the bills keep racking up. Our military has been overextended to the point of breaking just at the time others have been rebuilding and modernizing theirs. MAD is still a very real phenomenon. Additionally, unfriendly governments far less stable and rational as well as terrorist groups have obtained or are pursuing nuclear weapons. We should absolutely be cultivating the closer ties we had developed with Russia rather than letting them slip away. |
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The S-400 is way beyond the Patriot
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/200762422 http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/200762422814.asp It can also shoot down stealth aircraft (allegedly) Why no successor for the old patriot? |
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They haven't fielded it yet, but they are working on it. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/thaad/ |
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Even the best ADCAP Patriot would be easier to avoid than the S-400 series SAM's. The ADCAP Patriot is comparable to the S-300PMU series, the S-400 completely outclasses it.
Iran and Syria getting a few would make things mighty interesting in the Middle East....... |
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You betcha... Russia has never been and never will be a friend of America, nor will China. Now will ALL AMERICANS quit buying their crap. WallMart recently reported that 80% of their merchandise was either manufactured or distributed through China contacts. Wake up folks. Simply say no. I've watched my small town county seat devasted by one single Mega WallMart store. All small businesses have closed, no customer service, and we are at the mercy of the trucking empire that daily feeds this mamouth. Cut a few bridges around my small town and we are toast. |
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