RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,144844,00.html

I still say they should have just turned these dirt bags over to the girls family and let them handle it.

Just life in prison? If this wasn't a Capital murder case, I don't know what one would be. Should have been the firing squad... These are sick individuals.

It's hard to get all of the facts just from the media, you can never really tell just "how" guilty a person is. However, we are at WAR. There was a trial and they were found to be guilty. Anything less than a death sentice is (getting off easy).

All involved should be shipped back to that town and put to death by firing squad in the center of town. Green should go also, it happened while he was active therefore he should pay the penalty that was possible while being active.

After re-reading it, I caught this:

Spielman's sister, Paige Gerlach, screamed: "I hate the government. You people put him (in Iraq) and now, this happened."

So the US Government made him take part in this rape and murder? Why try to put the blame on something other than what it really is? One word...accountability.

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Originally posted by SSG_Coder:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,144844,00.html

I still say they should have just turned these dirt bags over to the girls family and let them handle it.

I agree 100%

Send them to God. The Bible states if you commit rape or murder (Deuteronomy 19:11 & 22:25) you are to put them to death. Let God be the judge. The real trial will be with God. CSM Ruley

"despite testimony that cast doubt on his involvement."

This part kind of worries me. Given our perceived constant catering to the Iraqi government and their wants, whishes, and whims, I can't help but wonder if there was "pressure" on the jury to find him guiltly. Not saying there way, just wondering.

This is utterly ridiculous. I can't believe how nieve some people are. These guys are making our counrty look so bad its not even funny.

This is the problem that is happening, because these kids think that just because they are in a war situation, that they wont even get caught or have to explain themselves.

I am a war veteran and this is a charge that should be taken care of in the full respect of not only the Army, but also the United States.

Ok, I can sit back and say that what happens there stays there (as many of my fellow veterans would agree), but when this kind of crude stuff starts to happen it really makes me look bad and others as well.

This is not what is suppose to happen, no matter how people think.

And, I do agree with the fact that the Lord will set judgement, but this is here and now and cannot and shouldnot be dismissed.

How I do love my country though....

"82nd All the Way",Hoooaaahhh!!!

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Originally posted by Paulmedic:

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Originally posted by SSG_Coder:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,144844,00.html

I still say they should have just turned these dirt bags over to the girls family and let them handle it.

I agree 100%

Me Too!Take out the TRASH! God help the Victems Family's,God help the Boys Soul's

“The truth from an old Army Warrant Officer - that is an oxymoron, right?”

If we are not going to turn them over to the village leaders – bring back the firing squad. I’m out of shape, but I could and would to give the commands, “Ready, Aim, Fire.”

His sister needs to remember he enlisted and rape is not part of military training. That attitude comes from the family.

This case and several others prove they are NOT ALL our best and brightest. But, this should not in any way reflect of the overwhelming majority of the guys and gals who serve and ARE “our best and brightest.”

At least that’s the way this old soldier sees it.

WOPA! If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand! And, if I told you … well you know how that goes.

I kind of understand the sisters loyalty to her brother but the government is not responsible for that guy rapeing and murdering that family.
Its his fault he couldnt keep his ,..,. in his pants.Excuse my attitude but thats a surefire way of ticked me off.There's no excuse for what he's done.

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Originally posted by OldArmyWOPA:
“The truth from an old Army Warrant Officer - that is an oxymoron, right?”

If we are not going to turn them over to the village leaders – bring back the firing squad. I’m out of shape, but I could and would to give the commands, “Ready, Aim, Fire.”

His sister needs to remember he enlisted and rape is not part of military training. That attitude comes from the family.

This case and several others prove they are NOT ALL our best and brightest. But, this should not in any way reflect of the overwhelming majority of the guys and gals who serve and ARE “our best and brightest.”

At least that’s the way this old soldier sees it.

WOPA! If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand! And, if I told you … well you know how that goes.

I totally agree with you man. Couldn't have said it better myself.

"82nd All the Way", Hoooaaahhh!!!

I have to agree on the comment about the sister, trying to put the blame on the Government. That's pathetic. How come the Government did not make the other hundreds of thousands of Americans over there rape people. As it was said before, accountability. It is sickening how so many people today attempt to point the finger in so many different directions.

SSgt USMC

Conflicting stories re: his involvment, knowledge and planning... either way he didn't take part - actually perform the rape or murder... I can see the conspiracy, wrongfully entering the house, arson, wrongfully touching a corpse, ACCESSORY TO MURDER and RAPE (not murder and rape)...

He is guilty and should serve time... I wonder how his sentence will compare to those who took part in the actual act of rape and Green - who everyone says killed the family and the girl.

I agree.. it is not the government or the military that committed this crime... it was a group (sounds like a fire team - 4 members: a SGT, and 3 enlisted) of men in a situation that their evil came out and controlled their actions... and they are responsible, and are taking responsibility as evident by their guilty pleas.

Accountability................

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Originally posted by RCriss:
Accountability................

Just think.. if that squad leader, PSG or PL had positive control of his troops... maybe, just maybe...

Two comments -

1) Berliners towards the end of WWII literally prayed that US forces, rather than the Russian's, would take Berlin because ... we didn't do things like this. The difference between us and al Qaeda is what is winning us support in Anbar and elsewhere in Iraq. The worm turns.

2) While what these soldiers did to the girl and her family is vile enough, what they did to their fellow serving "brothers" by their actions is even worse.

I side squarely with the Old Army WOPA.

No disrespect intended but did those boys' evil rape and kill those people or did those boys rape and kill those people?Somebody did and killed them to keep them quiet.Like I said there is absolutly no excuse for rape then murder to keep them quiet,esspecially rape.

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Originally posted by SkipHadaway:
Conflicting stories re: his involvment, knowledge and planning... either way he didn't take part - actually perform the rape or murder... I can see the conspiracy, wrongfully entering the house, arson, wrongfully touching a corpse, ACCESSORY TO MURDER and RAPE (not murder and rape)...

He is guilty and should serve time... I wonder how his sentence will compare to those who took part in the actual act of rape and Green - who everyone says killed the family and the girl.

I agree.. it is not the government or the military that committed this crime... it was a group (sounds like a fire team - 4 members: a SGT, and 3 enlisted) of men in a situation that their evil came out and controlled their actions... and they are responsible, and are taking responsibility as evident by their guilty pleas.

He was found guilty, and a sentenced pronounced.

How many in this country are raped every day and nothing but a slap on the wrist is given to the perp. Heck we rarely execute period even the most vile muderers, serial ect..,

There should be one sentence to all who commit murder, rape ect.....
That is justice, not one judge giving a slap on the wrist to one and another judge hanging for the same crime...
Just my thoughts on punishments...

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Originally posted by AnArmyMom:
He was found guilty, and a sentenced pronounced.

How many in this country are raped every day and nothing but a slap on the wrist is given to the perp. Heck we rarely execute period even the most vile muderers, serial ect..,

There should be one sentence to all who commit murder, rape ect.....
That is justice, not one judge giving a slap on the wrist to one and another judge hanging for the same crime...
Just my thoughts on punishments...

Well Army Mom ... I'd like to agree with you ... but I can't. There is another set of charges involved here besides rape and murder ... though invisible. These scumbags -

1) Gave the enemy a valid issue with which to leverage recruits and undermine the coalition.

2) Tainted everybody's military service.

3) Made the daily task our servicemembers face of "winning friends and influencing people" more difficult.

4) May have caused revenge attacks on US soldiers who otherwise would still be alive.

These may not count in the court martial ... but they sure register when I consider what would be a just punishment for them in my own mind.

Instead of protecting their buddies' "6" ... they stabbed them in the back ...