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10 day warning for posting hot links. (25 Nov 08) vighper |
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War is not about rosy pictures and warm fuzzy feelings. It is about getting the job done!, If our men and women can do that with less loss of life I see that as a positive. The anti war crowd will shift the focus from this being good news to somthing else. Even the article seemed to compare this month to every other July in History except July 1864 (for you history buffs the US took heavy losses at the battle of Petersburg. Lets just take this for what it is... a good month for those stand the watch so others don't have to.
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is this the story that this is suppose to be about???
Sunni Bloc Quits Iraq Government; Attacks Kill 67 in Baghdad |
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"However, Mullen acknowledged under questioning that "there does not appear to be much political progress" in Iraq."
Don't expect much political progress. The Iraqi parliament starts its five week vacation today. |
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Reminiscent of another press release, a year and a half ago, reporting that the US casualty rate had fallen below 2 a day and positing this as indicative of a rosy future.
It would be great if history didn't have a nasty habit of repeating itself. |
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30+ years of Saddam's divisive dictatorship ahs taught his people to trust no one. Each sect or region wants a level of autonomy and ownership of the oil.
That's like Texas claiming to own all it's oil and Arkansas argueing that Texas should give them some of it, while Washington wrestles with how many Congressional distrcts can be carved out for each party in all of the states, to maximize individual political clout. A generation of Iraqis will have to live through the free government process before it can really begin to settle in. The same way the current generation learned to be mistrustful under tyranny. They may be Iraqi, they may be arab, but they are still human with all the fears and foibles. They have had 200 years of self-indulgent liberty and transparent governance like we have. If the "enlightened" anti-war crowd understood this, they'd see that usually a period of violence goes along with birthing a free government. A free government is the only way to address the terrorist issue by giving the agreived a forum to resolve their issues. Nah...they'd still say nothing is worth going to war over. Of course, they're free to say those things on the shoulders and graves of those who thought differently! |
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I menat to say..."They have NOT had 200 years..."
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10 day warning for posting hot links. (25 Nov 08) vighper |
Birth portends a period of maturation and development. With the government dissolving, the exact oppisite appears to be happening. The surge is like bailing water on a sinking ship. Sure if you bail harder and with more people you can make the boat float, but if you don't patch the holes, the boat is still going to sink as soon as you stop. |
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Thats good news. I pray it only gets better!!
I want to know if you're part of the Democrat Party, does that mean your banking on a US loss?? Clyburn: Positive Report by Petraeus Could Split House Democrats on War By Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza Washington Post Staff Writer and Washingtonpost.com Staff Writer Monday, July 30, 2007; 6:26 PM House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war. Clyburn, in an interview with the washingtonpost.com video program PostTalk, said Democrats might be wise to wait for the Petraeus report, scheduled to be delivered in September, before charting next steps in their year-long struggle with President Bush over the direction of U.S. strategy. Clyburn noted that Petraeus carries significant weight among the 47 members of the Blue Dog caucus in the House, a group of moderate to conservative Democrats. Without their support, he said, Democratic leaders would find it virtually impossible to pass legislation setting a timetable for withdrawal. "I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us," Clyburn said. "We, by and large, would be wise to wait on the report." Many Democrats have anticipated that, at best, Petraeus and U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker would present a mixed analysis of the success of the current troop surge strategy, given continued violence in Baghdad. But of late there have been signs that the commander of U.S. forces might be preparing something more generally positive. Clyburn said that would be "a real big problem for us." Clyburn's comments came as House and Senate Democrats try to figure out their next steps in the legislative battle. Clyburn said he could foresee a circumstance in which House Democrats approve a measure without a timetable for withdrawing U.S. forces, which has been the consistent goal of the party throughout the months-long debate. But he said he could just as easily see Democrats continue to include a timetable. Clyburn also address the reasons behind declining approval ratings for Congress, which spiked earlier in the year when Democrats took over the House and Senate. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll showed just 37 percent approving of the performance of Congress. "Remember right after the election it went very high on approval,?" he said. "Then all of a sudden people saw that we were not yielding the kind of result that they wanted to yield." He said most Americans still do not know some of the domestic legislation that has been approved. Fewer understand that, despite Democratic majorities in both houses, that it takes 60 votes to pass anything legislation in the Senate. Clyburn noted that while overall approval ratings of Congress are low, people still rate Democrats higher than Republicans. "People feel good about the Democratic Party, they just don't feel real good about the Congress itself." |
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. It was the lowest monthly count in eight months, BUT, it was also the deadliest July for U.S. troops since the war began. In July 2006, 43 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq, and 54 died in each of the previous two July's. |
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These numbers are hardly something to get excited about. Tell that to the 76 families!!
The biggest news is that of the Sunnis quitting the government. Gee, why am I not shocked? This act of the Sunnis is definitive proof that our continued involvement in Iraq is a farce. Remember Gen. Petraeus saying once he took over command that the KEY TO SUCCESS IN IRAQ WAS POLITICAL. Well, here is your answer to the question. Sunnis quitting is abject failure for a unity government. I will really be upset to hear the administration claim, "Oh, we need more troops to be sure the security of the nation has a chance since the Sunnis no longer care about having a mixed government." The Iraqis disgust me to no end. But I am more angry with the administration for allowing our lives and money to be spent on this WORTHLESS NATION. These people love violence and power. I will be very curious the spin put on the September report by Petreaus. I wish I could say that he would not be political, but that is a vain hope. The info coming out now is that they will ask for more time to assess the success of the surge. IT IS ENDLESS!!!!! The American people have had enough, and more pressure by the electorate needs to be put on their U.S. Senators to override Bush. |
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I think the next obvious question is about why the US was arming these people........ and are they still? |
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The Democrats will not do anything which will jeopardize their chances in '08, including ending the this front in the GWOT. Their sitting on the fence, wetting their finger to make sure which way the wind is blowing. |
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I don't know when people are going to get it that casualties are a crap metric for measuring progress or the lack thereof. I don't think the sharp spike in US casualties from May to June 1944 was an indication that our strategy was failing.
What I most strongly object to is folks who were saying that the spike in casualties in May of this year, the highest since late 2004 and third highest since the invasion "didn't indicate that the strategy was failing" but climb onto claims that this dip indicates that it is succeeding. You can't have it both ways. Any dip in casualties is good news, but good news in its own right. No one would be happier than seeing this dip turn into a trend, but one month does not a trend make.  |
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Any reduction in deaths of our Troops is good news, however there is no mention of wounded U.S. Forces. I wonder if this news is so bad the Military is suppresing it? I agree with oldmole that one month is not trend setting.
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Does it strike anyone as strange that success in Iraq would be failure for BOTh our Democratic Party AND al Qaeda.
Think about it. The party that wants to "lead" us defines failure in the same terms as the people that want ot "destroy" us. The media remembers how "body counts" worked in their favor in Vietnam, and since they assumed control of our national policy via "favorable" or "unfavorable" stories to manipulate their chosen political monkies, they are opting to use body counts again, to bring down an administration which they do not approve of. Our "free" press has become our "controlling" press. They control the information they feed to us. Can we really get the truth? |
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heh heh. Good old partisanship gone bonkers... Mach1, Do you fully understand what you're saying when you equate your political opponents at home with a terror group sworn to bring your country to it's knees? What next? A Guantanamo vacation for anyone that votes Democrat? |
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Is this something the administration is proud of? Only 76 dead, woo hoo!
If it were just one dead that's one too many in my book. The Sunnis are going to take their ball and go home? The Kurds are getting restless. Get them the he11 out of there. |
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Things may look good at present. Up until early
1968 it looked like we were winning in Vietnam, We had the enemy on the ropes, we were winning our leaders told us, the enemy could not hold on much longer. Then came the Tet Offensive, a major offensive that they were not supposed to be able to mount. I know because the Sec of Def, the President, and the generals said so. The problem was, the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong disagreed. Although it was a military defeat for them, it was a major political coup. At present things look like the surge is working, but let be careful, Al Queda is nothing if not persistent. This may be a set back for them, but they do not give up easily. We can win militarily in Iraq but still not achieve any long time goals. The Iraqis may be able to be self sufficient enough for us to leave. But everything we have done there may just come back to bite us on the butt. So I take any report positive or negative with a grain of salt. |
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Great idea, Squiz!!   |
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