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Heat Rises Between Iraq PM and Petraeus

Sounds like someone is losing patience with Maliki, and he is losing it - right back. Great, good progress. Yet still people claim the "surge" is working, while our young people continue to fight in this civil war, in a foreign country that wants us out.

"Mama, what's for Dessert"? Mama said, "More of the same, dear".

Duplicate topic. Original {here}.

Yes: we need to begin disengagement AND select a viable interim leader.

See my comment under topic recommended by the old timer above.

WELL; THE FIRST PAGE SENT US HERE. REX

I back "ALL" AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES! If other's don't take professional advice,tactic's or otherwise from them,that's the other guy's problem!

The administrations diplomacy policy is on track. Keep up the pace. Golf anyone?

General Petraeus is a great leader and can cammand anything from a soldier to Prime Minister who won't get off his duff! General Petraeus gave me my 9th combat patch for which I am extremely proud, and as a First Sergeant I had the great opportunity to get to know him in conversation after the ceremony. His ideals are concrete and needn't be refined, even if it jams the PM in the rear.

If the United States removes Gen Petraeus then let's remove us all!

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Originally posted by Well_Seasoned:
Duplicate topic. Original {here}.

Ah! Good job, Sir! Same story....different title! I guess the news is getting a little boring for the folks at Military.com

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If the United States removes Gen Petraeus then let's remove us all!

Good idea.

Let's start TODAY.

This is not about personality. This is about policy. General Petraeus is pushing a plan that re-arms and supplies Sunnis, so that they can fight non-Iraqi jihadis. Maliki understands that the general is playing off one enemy against another; but both are enemies nonetheless. At the same time, the general has ordered U.S. military forces to go after Shiite militias, which has to be infuriating Maliki.

Petraeus has taken a gamble in which the odds are against him; but, in fairness to the general, he knew that going in. From a pragmatic point of view, however, he picked the weaker Sunnis over the stronger Shias. That was a bad choice...unless the administration's true problem is taken into account.

The U.S. fears a Shia dominated "stable" Iraq more than it fears a continuation of the chaos which now exists. If the Shias win outright, Iraq and Iran will -together- pose a greater risk to Israel, and those Arab states which have accepted American domination, than that which existed when Saddam controlled Iraq.

Civil Wars are the most brutal kinds of wars. They will last until all the warriors on one side (or both sides) have been killed. This is the mess we created. It is best to take Senator Biden's approach and divide Iraq into three pieces. Letting the Shias complete their takeover of Iraq is better than what we have now; but then the U.S. would have to become more tolerant of Shia-dominated regimes.

Trying to force the Shias into following our wishes, at the same time that we are working against them, is not going to work...unless we are willing to take decades to do it. You've got to love war too much for your own good, if you think that is worth the price.

When it comes to sitting around doing nothing to support the troops, America's Cabinet has IMHO been just as derelict as Malaki's Cabinet. I sincerely hope that our War Czar Gen. Doug Lute is lighting just as hot a fire under the feet of America's Cabinet secretaries, as Gen. Petraeus is lighting under Malaki's feet!

Well tough crap for Maliki. HE OWES US, BIGTIME. He can either sh** or get off the pot! Its about time HE produced something. If he can't, then perhaps it is time that HE step down, NOT Petreaus.

Replacing Petreaus would be the biggest insult you could possibly make to our troops on the ground in Iraq. This is complete crap.

If Bush replaces Petreaus, I will personally strongly encourage my son to NOT re-enlist.

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
It is best to take Senator Biden's approach and divide Iraq into three pieces. Letting the Shias complete their takeover of Iraq is better than what we have now; but then the U.S. would have to become more tolerant of Shia-dominated regimes.

I have always felt a soft partition was the best solution. These people need to learn how to govern in baby steps. On the local levels, they seem to be getting along just fine, they are organizing and solving their local problems.

As part of the agreement to partition, give them to option to re-assess in 10 years as to whether or not they want to join into one nation.

Its gos back to the old leadership when my 1st Sargent would tell me if there not complaning your not doing your job as a leader.

I am ex-military, and of course I support our troops. I would like to see them brought home. I know that we have had some 3600 killed and a tremendous number of seriously wounded. I am aware of the argument that, if we "quit" we are "wasting" their sacrifice. What I would ask is how much worse that sacrifice will become before this mess is over. The problem is not with our troops or our generals; no one contends that they are not performing magnificently. Rather, it is that they have been sent on an unwinnable mission. If we look at our wars, we see that we have succeeded when we had no political battle to contend with in the background, and we have not succeeded very well when our military has been restricted by the need to satisfy some political agenda, or prop up some regime which enjoys limited popular support. Maliki has no popular support. We need to remember, too, what the initial mission was: to destroy al-Quaeda. Only later did the mission involve "nation-building", and this was a make-weight argument. Our military exists to destroy nations, not build them. We have gotten side-tracked on a bogus, after-the-fact "mission" we aren't able to accomplish. Let's quit trying, and give these people their sand back.

al-Maliki is pissed because the Shi'ia won't be in as good a position to ethnically cleanse the Sunnis when we leave Iraq. So, the Sunnis can fight back now. Well, Boo-frickin-hoo.

When I was there, I saw the Shi'ia-dominated Iraqi Nat'l Police do some pretty f-ed up things to the Sunnis. On one occasion, the Sunnis ambushed an INP convoy the day following the same police unit burning down their farming village. The INP were screaming for help. Their SPiT team told them, "too bad."

GEN P sees what the real situation is. While arming the Sunnis to fight AQ is a good idea, my guess is that he's trying to stave off a slaughter once we leave.

Since we have sacrificed some 3600 military people to date, & a much larger number of wounded & disabled to their cause of freedom & existence, then Al Maliki can be go to hell. Either he must make up his mind & heart to become a truly national leader, & listen to the very wise counsel of our General Petreaus too that end; or he should step down for the good of his nation. Either way, President Bush needs to let him know this in no uncertain terms, & that General Petreaus is going to stay there until the mission is completed, & his ensuing assessment about Iraq's future (along with Ambassador Crocker's) is made to the CinC. When & if the Iraqi Security Forces are up to successful speed to do their Nations bidding in rebuilding, & Al Maliki is capable of taking over direct command, we will let him (or whoever the Prime Minister might be) know...kind of like when the Roman General who had to enter Jerusalem & reestablish peace, & had to remove Herod Antipas from direct control of his forces & Jerusalem, because he failed to do so....

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Originally posted by helez:
Yes: we need to begin disengagement AND select a viable interim leader.

See my comment under topic recommended by the old timer above.

and leave them high and dry like what we did to china vietnam loas cambodia do i really need to go on??? what about the hmong??? they are just about extinctbecause we left the ao high and dry...

"FRACK " what tyhe Iraqi PMS says, Make the right choices, or we will put some one else in the PN seat.