RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,143722,00.html

Training in Iran? Say it isn't so. Not our Iranian friends. (Sarcasm)

Another explanation is they might have learned that ancient skill of map reading. Even though we're mostly digitized now, we still use and have maps. They didn't have accurate maps of Iraq until we came to town. (I'm sure we've lost some in the last 4+ years) Saddam had inaccurate maps of Iraq made to help prevent a revolt of the republican guard according to the pentagon...

It may be Iran though. I'm just offering up another option...

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Originally posted by Mechanix1:
Another explanation is they might have learned that ancient skill of map reading. It may be Iran though. I'm just offering up another option...

..are you kidding? Iran is the ONLY option. I think it's time to take the gloves off!!!

That ordinance is being launched in Iraq, correct?

The forces being targeted are in Iraq too, correct?

The problem is in Iraq, the solution is in Iraq.

Blaming Iran makes failing to solve the problem acceptable.

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Originally posted by popsiq:
That ordinance is being launched in Iraq, correct?

The forces being targeted are in Iraq too, correct?

The problem is in Iraq, the solution is in Iraq.

Blaming Iran makes failing to solve the problem acceptable.

I concur

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Originally posted by popsiq:
That ordinance is being launched in Iraq, correct?

The forces being targeted are in Iraq too, correct?

The problem is in Iraq, the solution is in Iraq.

Blaming Iran makes failing to solve the problem acceptable.

If you like Iran so much, move there! It is only a short step away from the political clime of Canada anyway! Eh?

Many branches but one brotherhood!

This is the latest of many reports that the Iranian military has helped to upgrade the effectiveness of its clients in Iraq. Iran has also been credited in upgrading the combat effectiveness of Hezbollah and Hamas. Can you imagine what they could do, if we asked them to help the Iraqi Army to "stand up so we could stand down"?

While this should make anyone, looking to crush nationalist uprisings in Iraq quite angry, it should also lead to caution. If the Iranians can train others to fight U.S. and Israeli forces so well, consider how much military force and for how long a period of time it will take to defeat them! We really need to re-group, re-arm, and re-train before we undertake such a war.

With the thousands upon thousands of troops in Iraq, why can't we seal off the border with Iran and reduce the movement of weapons and fighters into Iraq?

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Originally posted by CDR05:
With the thousands upon thousands of troops in Iraq, why can't we seal off the border with Iran and reduce the movement of weapons and fighters into Iraq?

Welcome aboard CDR, and thank you for serving!

Salute!!!!!!!!

If we had twice as many troops it might be do-able, but it is a pretty long border. But heck, we cannot even secure our own borders!

Many branches but one brotherhood!

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Originally posted by CDR05:
With the thousands upon thousands of troops in Iraq, why can't we seal off the border with Iran and reduce the movement of weapons and fighters into Iraq?

Seal the borders! We can't even seal our own borders when the Democrats wants cheap votes and the Republicans wants cheap labor and reports coming in that terrorists are coming across our southern border to prep to attack us! So why can't we seal the borders of Iran/Iraq? Look at the House of Congress and you will know the true answer....Those who do not learn from history past mistakes are doom to die from those mistakes!

Gotta love the frequency of these remarks citing Iran as our number one problem in Iraq. They appear to coming at a rate of about one per week, all failing to mention that the contribution Iran is making falls far short of that made by Saudi Arabia, the primary supplier of al Queda aid.

Let's just say for a moment that we did act on these remarks. Let's suppose that we simply negated any contribution that Iran is now making to the war in Iraq. Would we have solved the problem, or even put a great dent into it? The answer is no.

Iraq has been a mess since March 2003, and that had nothing to do with Iran. Iran comes onto the scene years later, and just months before worked with our men and women in Afghanistan and opertatives throughout the Middle East in a combined effort to reduce the support reaching al Queda and other similar organizations. If you'd like to suggest that the invasion of Iraq robs us of that support then you would be spot on, but it is not accurate to claim that Iran has instigated the problem.

Made it worse? Of course, the contributions of all involved has made the situation on the ground inside Iraq worse for the Iraqi people, and that includes the contributions that we have made. Several astronomically stupid decisions were made in the first months of occupation that haunt us to this day. Remember the disbanding of the Iraqi military? Remember the failure to seek the support of Iraqis up front, mainly because that support claimed was a crock of horse hockey?

Those in charge of prosecuting this war are to blaim for the state of affairs. Iran is just one of many contributing factors made possible by the initial action of that bunch. Who, I might add, is only happy to lay blame at another's feet.

yup training and supplies are coming in from iran....

Sealing the borders here and Iraq are two different things. No comparsion.

I have suggested many, many times thats what needs to be done in Iraq, Seal all borders and let the rest have it. When they get done killing each other off, we move back in, fix the goverment and come home.

Here is a different story all together...Take a look at those people you voted in up there in Congress and the Senate and you will get your answer...and remember the lib/Dem control both.

The old saying is Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it..and for you Libs and Dem..You all got the shaft!!!
You all voted them in....all they do is fight amonst themselves and go after Bush...Oh and almost forgot..tag Pork barrel on each and every bill so they can get re-elected in their state...

Thank you dman1948!

We are the shaftees like it or not!

I kinda believe that after all that practice they are finally getting good at it.

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Originally posted by popsiq:
That ordinance is being launched in Iraq, correct?

The forces being targeted are in Iraq too, correct?

The problem is in Iraq, the solution is in Iraq.

Blaming Iran makes failing to solve the problem acceptable.

This may be true if Iraq was a hermetically sealed, self-contained environment with absolutely no influence from Syria, Iran or Saudi Arabia. The problem is not simply in Iraq and neither is the solution. Both reside in the entrie Middle-East region, and should be addressed as such. There are metric tons of the same diplomatic double-speak that lets International A-holes like Saddam, Kim and Ahmenejad operate freely and un-opposed. It enshrines the same logic that pens the U.S. as the source of our problems. Ridiculous! The involvement of Iran in the killing of U.S. service personnel ANYWHERE in the world, either directly or through proxy, qualifies IRAN as the enemy and ONE of the problems. Fighting through proxy (albeit the same tactic we used against the Soviets in Afghanistan) is politically viable because it makes it easer for people to shift the blame elsewhere instead of where it belongs...AT THE SOURCE.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dman1948:
Sealing the borders here and Iraq are two different things. No comparsion.

I have suggested many, many times thats what needs to be done in Iraq, Seal all borders and let the rest have it. When they get done killing each other off, we move back in, fix the goverment and come home.

Here is a different story all together...Take a look at those people you voted in up there in Congress and the Senate and you will get your answer...and remember the lib/Dem control both.


Ok, so how is sealing our border different? We need fences, troops, and monitoring. Over there we need fences, troops and monitoring. About the only difference is there is a better chance of exchange of gunfire there than here.

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Originally posted by Radikal1:

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Originally posted by Mechanix1:
Another explanation is they might have learned that ancient skill of map reading. It may be Iran though. I'm just offering up another option...

..are you kidding? Iran is the ONLY option. I think it's time to take the gloves off!!!

Warn them, then leaflet them, Then turn the whole country into a glass bowl. A-B-C then bring the troops home.

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Radikal1:

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Originally posted by Mechanix1:
Another explanation is they might have learned that ancient skill of map reading. It may be Iran though. I'm just offering up another option...

..are you kidding? Iran is the ONLY option. I think it's time to take the gloves off!!!

Warn them, then leaflet them, Then turn the whole country into a glass bowl. A-B-C then bring the troops home.

if you nuke iran what about alqueda??? they will still be in iraq...

Sealing our borders is a lot different...If I recall..many yrs ago they had the guard on the border and a Guardsmen shot and kill a kid on the other side of the border...big, big stink about that and they pull all the guards (national) off the borders...

We face a completely different situation on our borders...For one if we build the fence this will cut off a source of water for wildlife.
Two, they will just build tunnels or climb the fence.
I believe this probelm can never be completely slove...but to really but a punch in it is to do what AZ is doing now and nailing the people who hire them.(illegals), of course control the border better, more border patrols ( and not guardmen) more and better border crossing points. ( some maybe remote, but it has to be done) and better means of treating the crossers when we catch them..not just catch and release.
Then put pressue of Mexico to estabish its own border security (on their side) and offer more jobs with better wages to keep them there.