RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,143018,00.html

I can't imagine the anguish his wife and children are going through.

As each incident (court martial) comes to fruition, it becomes more apparent that the upper command in the Marine Corps is becoming more subservient to the medea and Congress. If the same ethos were applied in previous conflicts, there would be a lot of Marines stagnating in "barbed wire hotels". Somewhere along the line, there must be a realistic evaluation/judgment as to what constitutes warfighting. Apparently the political quagmire that has evolved in Iraq and Afghanistan mitigates those requirements necessary to be successful in these conflicts.

What does one tell a kid aspiring to be a Marine? Defend yourself in in a firefight and you too can be a candidate for a courtmartial.

I really feel for the Corporal, his wife and all Marines who are in Harm's Way.

Its a shame to have to go into combat and worry about looking over your shoulder every time you fire a round or check with a lawyer to see if you are legal or not.Now we're caught in the middle of their civil war which has been going on for longer than we've been on this earth.Democracy has no meaning to them whatsoever yet we are trying to shove it down their throats.This war is all about who controls Iraqi oil and we're losing our lives over it thanks to this administrations policies.

Once again, the congesiional mandated 'Rules of Engagement" have hobbled and negatively effected the couse of the war and the lives of brave military personnel. You can bet your butt that those rag head insurgents do not operate under any such 'rules of engagement'! Semper Fi Marines!

What are we doing? Our brothers and sisters are being killed everyday and they cannot search and destroy without being prosecuted! Take off the gloves and let them do their JOBS!!! This sentence isn't right.

The more I think about it the more it becomes obvious that Politics dictates the rules of engagement just like Viet Nam. We lost 50,000 Americans than and now we just put them in jail for doing their job. Lawyers run the Congress and look what has happened. Now lawyers are running the military. Where do we go from here? Maybe we should give the M16's to the politicians and lawyers and let them fight in future conflicts.

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Originally posted by basiloecmh:
As each incident (court martial) comes to fruition, it becomes more apparent that the upper command in the Marine Corps is becoming more subservient to the medea and Congress. If the same ethos were applied in previous conflicts, there would be a lot of Marines stagnating in "barbed wire hotels". Somewhere along the line, there must be a realistic evaluation/judgment as to what constitutes warfighting. Apparently the political quagmire that has evolved in Iraq and Afghanistan mitigates those requirements necessary to be successful in these conflicts.

What does one tell a kid aspiring to be a Marine? Defend yourself in in a firefight and you too can be a candidate for a courtmartial.

I really feel for the Corporal, his wife and all Marines who are in Harm's Way.

This man and the others that have been CONVICTED disobeyed ORDERS and by their actions HELPED the enemy.

If it was only those two, acting together on their own ideas, then WTF did the BC get relieved for? He damn sure issued so ambiguous ROE for his soldiers, or that mission apparently...

This is total BS. After 3 tours, anything can occur. I doubt some of the members on the Court martial Panel have been to Iraq. How can anyone that have not been in country judge someone. I feel for this Marine and his family.

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by basiloecmh:
As each incident (court martial) comes to fruition, it becomes more apparent that the upper command in the Marine Corps is becoming more subservient to the medea and Congress. If the same ethos were applied in previous conflicts, there would be a lot of Marines stagnating in "barbed wire hotels". Somewhere along the line, there must be a realistic evaluation/judgment as to what constitutes warfighting. Apparently the political quagmire that has evolved in Iraq and Afghanistan mitigates those requirements necessary to be successful in these conflicts.

What does one tell a kid aspiring to be a Marine? Defend yourself in in a firefight and you too can be a candidate for a courtmartial.

I really feel for the Corporal, his wife and all Marines who are in Harm's Way.

This man and the others that have been CONVICTED disobeyed ORDERS and by their actions HELPED the enemy.

Dear Expreienced Member,

Good luck to you in your next firefight.

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Originally posted by Mechanix1:
If it was only those two, acting together on their own ideas, then WTF did the BC get relieved for? He damn sure issued so ambiguous ROE for his soldiers, or that mission apparently...

Most likely he was relieved for his action (actually lack of action) about the reported killing.

I think its freakin ridiculous that servicemen are being prosecuted for murder during the time of war. War means killing people and if our own government doesn't understand that, then we shouldn't even go to war. I say any jerk who accuses a serviceman of committing a crime (like murder) during war, then strap a gun on him and let the bullets fly at his ***. OORAH!!

I would like to say we are at a war there is no right or wrong when you think you are going to be killed, it is a kill or be killed. My heart is crying for this family and i think it is sooooooooo wrong send our son home yes our son the marine corp is a family. son hold your head up high and know when you open your eyes each day we are all here for you.may god bless you and your family.

In war the surroundings are not the ones you write home about. The individuals who put you there on the ground should be held responsible for war crimes. The politicians who sent the men and women of this country should be the ones prosecuted for war crimes. Because we do the jobs they do not have the stomach to do. Then they say we are responsible for our actions. What about theirs? Did they even think of how many would die before we went over? Was it really worth the death of anyone good or bad.
Because everyone has family members and now some have no children due to this war.

I had great hopes at the start of the war on tear we as a nation would come together on it, but because pollticians see a way to gain power they, and there news media cohorts demonetize our troops, our President, our country, our way of life. They would destory 200+ years of freedom to get power. I tell you these are the enemies of freedom, these are the ones that must be defeated. I can't understand how we as a people can be fooled again. Remember Korea, and Veit-Nam. This Marine is being sacraficed for the power of polltics. THANK YOU DEMOCRATS!!!!!For your support in our countries time of need. I am sure I didn't spell everything right, or put all the , &. in the right place so if some egghead wants to call me a fool have at it. That is all you can do for what I write is true.

So let me understand this for a minute....... these bastard insurgents can cut off the heads and murder and torture our captured soldiers, plant IED's (roadside bombs), videotape themselves sniping our soldiers and distribute them over the internet, yet we have to follow the Geneva Convention rules of war??? Are you freaking kidding me. I guarantee that if we start doing to them what they are doing to us, this war would be over by the end of the year. Startt flying planes into their buildings, round up everyone who even is suspected of being an insurgent and finally do what the Isreali's do when they find an extremist hideout........ bulldoze the entire freaking block so they can't come back. Their neighbors would definately start giving these people up. It's time to take the leash off the dog.

hey i understand what you are saying our sons and daughters are dieing every day its time to talk a STAND! let our men go free and come home to there faimlies.

The ROE has become a total joke. Our country is in real trouble for the future. I'm not saying that what he did was right, but we have forced our guys to HESITATE at the moment of truth when it's kill or be killed and that's just pathetic.

I was in Viet Nam and saw and experienced many things that were not any worse and no one went to jail. Send them back to their families. It's a war for petes sake lots of ugly things happen to you and around you. After 3 tours this guy most certainly has PTSD.

I think this is absolutly outrageous. His 2 children will grow up without a daddy...we don't need anymore single parents in this country...My heart goes out to his family..