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Its a good thing they didn't decide to extend them further 3 extra months doesn't seem like much... Unless your one of those soldiers.
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I would hope that this will cover the Marines as well. Does it? I hope so!
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WTF ever the army will f *ck a soldier & change it's mind in a heartbeat. Don't beleive this B.S. I'll believe when I don't have to come back to this sh *t hole for a 4th time.
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Hmmh - none of the units currently deployed will be extended. What about the ones scheduled to go.......
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Secretary of Defense has repeatedly said the goal is 2 years back at home for 1 year deployed for Active Duty Army and already denied this rumor before it sprouted legs. The goal for the National Guard is 1 year deployed and 5 back at home.
Both goals were outlined in his confirmation hearings and he has not backtracked once since confirmation on trying to achieve them. He even outlined what he would do and not do in the Middle East in detail. He has not specified when those goals would be reached and thats the problem and what is driving the media rumors. Anyway, my two cents. |
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$1,000 dollars bonus per month past 12 months is not worth the death of a service. If they die from a car bomb or get shot after there duty there. You can't bring them back to life. The odds go up every time they stay in this war to die. And the mental stress go up more along with being in combat a long time. And the problems which combat have on each soldier. They must be replaced some time with new troops. There must be a way to protect them even more from the car bombs that have killed more soldiers over there. Some thing just has to be done or even more will die. It is very sad but this war will just keep going on. I believe we need to train more soldiers to fight and to replace the ones over there more. We just may need to start a draft and train more soldiers. Or change the way we fight so that less will die and be able to come home.
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I hope that is true, and that the troops are about to be withdrawn from Iraq.
It is no surprise that the troopers are gunshy after the way they have been treated the past four years ! The priority now is to rebuild morale: particularly Reserve and Guard units which have been decimated. |
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You know when you're a redneck when your limited to once a day on the UFO sighting hot line! |
I think we could make special transportation arrangements to make this possible. |
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You know when you're a redneck when your limited to once a day on the UFO sighting hot line! |
Sir, My fiancee is serving his third tour in the box with the Army. I would never characterize him as particularly gunshy rather a man of fine character and morale who sets a fine example for his unit. S/F |
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I sure hope not. Thank God for the media for keeping us all accountable, especially our government.
If we cannot sustain current rotations, we should simply draw down. I'm afraid that the next card they will pull is calling back up mass numbers of Individual Ready Reservists. I'm not sure they have many cards left after that. Short of extending combat tours further, which would be unpopular among civilians as well as military and families. |
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We are in quite a prediciment. We have the surge going and a lot of the troops are totally behind it. But, we have enlistment numbers that are totally horrible. So, what in the hell do you want the DoD to do. They will eventually have no choice but to extend (even if they say different). It really sucks. But, that is the reality of the situation.
They are doing the whole AI thing to try to supplement a few jobs, but it is not enough. And, they are doing it completely backwards. The Navy and AF have decent enlistment numbers comparitively. But, they keep sending the salty dogs right after they reenlist. What the hell is that? We all know that this thing was mis-managed. Even the top brass has said so. So, we are trying to play catch up at this point. And, we are doing so right when the real shite hits the fan. And, we have notoriously BAD nations breathing down our necks. I served and support all of my fellow sailors, airmen and soldiers. But, I am really pissed that the greatest nation on the planet has put us in this very delicate and scary situation. No doubt, if there were another attack on our soil, we would see the entire nation rise to the challenge (yes, even those dems that you guys speak so great about). Shoot, even I was an anti-government young punk until 9/11 brought things into perspective for me. But, we need to start thinking about having those forces available before that can happen. And, it just IS NOT happening. I feel for you guys, I really do. I was a sailor that never had time to myself. So, I know what it is like to be totally dedicated to your job and never having time to yourself. But, it really makes you pissed at the same time. We need solutions, damnit! Extending already war-stressed guys is not a solution. Sending guys on their 3rd or 4th tour is not a solution. It only causes strain on guys that have already been strained and then strained again. IOW, we need fresh people. We need dedicated people. What in the hell are we going to do to get those people? You know damn well that a draft won't give us that. What we need is a natural born leader. We need a President that creates a true sense of patriotism and love for our cause in the world. Guess what? I am not seeing that on either side of the isle when it comes to our current choices for our next CiC. And, it is painfully obvious that our current President does not command that kind of favor. Sorry, it is true. I truly, deep down in my gut, feel that the only man that comes to mind is Colin Powell. If he were running today, he would win without a doubt. Plus, he knows how to command men. He knows how to get peoples attention. He is also forthright and straight up. Many people of our nation, whether they be Dem or Repub, trust him because he is a no BS guy. But, what we have to choose from today is just a joke. That includes both parties. I believe that until we get a REAL leader in the WH, we will have no choice but to extend everybody on the ground. I believe that we will be seen as weak from our adverseries. And, I believe that our country will fall into a depression not even seen during the 'Great Depression". It is all in the current Admin's choices and decisions that show me this as the future. Not everybody is made to lead. But, we allow them to lead, regardless. We need strength, we need a sense of being an American, and we need to be the strong nation that I grew up to love, honor and cherish. America the beautiful, America the brave. If you look at the first 180 years of our country's history, that is what you see. You see Americans that are willing to give their life for our ideals. Complete sacrifice of self. I have not seen that since WWII. It just is not there. You can go ahead and blame whoever you like. The media, the democrats or the people. But, it is a fact. Where in the heck did that sense of American pride go? We servicemembers and veterans all have it. But, that comes with our service, so that is a given. Where did it go for our entire nation? I'll tell you. It went into our own lives. Americans care more about their new car or their latte than they do about patriotism. Sure, they say that they love this country. But, I think that is more of a love for what this country affords them. The citizens of today wouldn't have the balls to start a revolution for fear of losing their possessions and boring lives. That is the only thing that I respect of the extremist muslims. They have a belief that is so deep that they will give anything to follow it. That is what we need. A true sense of belief in our nation. And, we need it NOW!!! You cannot fight a society that has a true loss of self for a belief with a force that is mainly looking for what they can get out of our service. I am not saying all of us were looking for College money and benefits. But, as a leader and supervisor of men, I have heard that retort many times. That is not true service. That is self-service. Sure, many of you will tend to dissagree with my posts from time to time. I am quite outspoken and can rub people the wrong way. So, I understand. But, I stick to my beliefs and I will move for nobody. As I am sure many of you do. But, this is my true and heartfelt feeling that I have posted here. It really PMO that there are so many that don't see this and would rather argue just for the sake of arguing. Not me. I hold my ground and will die for my beliefs. I am an American. That is how we are supposed to do it. This message has been edited. Last edited by: 10tenths, |
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WHAT THE 4ELL DOES THIS MEAN? REX |
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For the life of me, I do not understand why we are in a GROUND WAR. We have the MEANS 'THE 'H' BOMB & the method, either a rocket or the B-2 so why are we getting our troops killed? For what, OIL? Get out & put all of that money towards giving fuel efficient vehicles to whoever asks. NOT FOREIGN MADE EITHER. Get rid of twenty million IMMIGRANTS so we have F.F.T. F. FUEL FOR THE FUTURE. COMPRENDE? REX
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Apperently you do not understand that we cannot just wipe a whole country of off the face of the Earth. There are other coutries that would get pretty pissed. Let's start with every other country but us (if we did such a thing). We would lose every single ally that we have and the whole world would come against us. Not to mention that what you are talking about is not our stated goal. Not much of a thinker , are you? |
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I have two sons in this right now, one is on his 4th deployment. One of their sons has been there for 2 deployments and another will be joining them later this year. Vietnam got like that. We stayed at it for so long, family members grew up and became part of it. We never signed a peace treaty, left men standing guard and pulled out of Korea, The military now has 3rd generation troops there, still playing whack a mole. When the government switched to "police actions" "conflicts" any light talk, no attainable goals are achievable. The first Gulf "disagreement" we did a mini Vietnam. Fight and die for territory, bring the bad guys to a tent in the sand, have a friendly chat, pack up and go home. A shining example of Americans have no real clear objectives as usual, fight for territory attain the "high ground" show them all you can do it, pack up and retreat. We did that all over Vietnam. La Drang, Khe Shan, Hue, all for what? When we took the objectives, we pulled out, the guys we were fighting moved in.
With this military attitude and fairness to all attitude on the home front. We get reconnoitered until some objectives were located. These guys took residence here, took flight training here, used local everyday objects we all took for granted and pull off 9/11. They studied our behaviors to others and found that a simple box cutter was a sufficient weapon against a large group of people in a confined closed area. Took control of an airliner in flight, you know the rest. A similar incident happened on a Japanese airliner, prior to that. The hijackers were beaten to death by the passengers. I have no answer to this, but when an 83 year old WWII German prison camp survivor, holds the door closed while being shot through the door and young athletes jump out the windows, one has to begin to wonder. We lead by example, what examples have we set? Respect for our elders? So far all I have seen is, they are easy to mug and rob. Getting to be a national tradition in this country. Yes, I want my sons home. I don't want the world to get the idea Americans are the cut and run example. Korea, Lebanon, Vietnam, Cuba, Somalia, all for what? Didn't make us safe, it just delayed things for a while. I summer in Maine. The troops have been coming home through the old Dow Air Force Base which is now Bangor International. The greeters have just been told, to stop giving free coffee and food to the troops arriving there. Our military goes to war, Americans go to the mall. A combat disabled Vietnam Vet, U.S. military ret. |
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_______________________________________________ Rock on! I like your style!  |
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________________________________________________ May your son's be safe and may you have good health. Thank you for your service Sir. |
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