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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,139082,00.html

There is no surprise here whatsoever. Before it is over they will be abled to shut our computers down at their will. It amazes me how we do not take action, on the input they have on our economy.
It is my opinion and/or belief the computer guru's can install worms or bugs, designed to activate at a given command and simply shut whomever they desire computers down. At that point the conflict will be with China in control and in charge.



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SURELY THEY JEST! They think for one minuet they can keep someone in after they have been trained to hack computers? In order to prevnet hackers, you have to know how they work & how they work. I copied this tid bit,,,,
If you have a terrorist operating on their own they're going to have less capability than if they had nation-state sponsorship," Elder explained. "To seriously disrupt us, you're not going to be able to do this with a 'teenage hacker' capability." vvvvvvvvvv
Tell that to a hacker & you will be shocked. Most hackers are just teenagers playing around. Most viruses are written by people that MICRO $OFT PISSED OFF. Now I think the anti virsus people write some so they have $oft ware to $ell. If this was not so, then why are they so fast to SELL you a fix? To me, it looks like they have the answer before there is a problem. Have you ever womdered why APPLES do not get viruses? REX
 
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The United States has some of the best hackers in the world. I these hackers want to be mischievous, the US government should hire them and they can really create a mess on China's computer systems.
 
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Who do you call? Bill Gates, he is our secret weapon. Our country should draft him and work him like a lab rat! Seriously I see somewhere down the line a changing of the guard with who is the most technologically advanced nation. Whisper
 
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Considering the other news story today regarding China,

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"We are seeing China emerge as a growing international space power" while rapidly developing its armed forces to compel Taiwan to bend to its demands, he said.

While China's long-range power remains limited, Lawless said China was modernizing its nuclear force to be capable of strategic strikes beyond the Asia-Pacific region.

In addition, Lawless said China was using proceeds from its growing wealth and gains from trade with the United States to develop anti-satellite weapons, ground-based lasers and satellite communication jammers.


These serious threats have been going on for a very long time. The cyber incursions into industrial networks is just as threatening as their attempts into military networks. This is the same as our bombing a ball bearing factory in Germany during WWII. Strike at the industrial base that supports and sustains a military force and combat capability is neutered.

China is not our friend.
 
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Considering the other news story today regarding China,


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"We are seeing China emerge as a growing international space power" while rapidly developing its armed forces to compel Taiwan to bend to its demands, he said.

While China's long-range power remains limited, Lawless said China was modernizing its nuclear force to be capable of strategic strikes beyond the Asia-Pacific region.

In addition, Lawless said China was using proceeds from its growing wealth and gains from trade with the United States to develop anti-satellite weapons, ground-based lasers and satellite communication jammers.


These serious threats have been going on for a very long time. The cyber incursions into industrial networks is just as threatening as their attempts into military networks. This is the same as our bombing a ball bearing factory in Germany during WWII. Strike at the industrial base that supports and sustains a military force and combat capability is neutered.

China is not our friend.

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You're 100% correct Sir, China is not our friend. They have never been and never will be.
 
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" China is not our friend."

(Right. In your world, NO nation is our "friend".)

But seeing that someone from Nigeria can send out a hundred thousand spam emails, and then reap millions on their fraudulent (and rather ignorantly worded and repeatedly suspicious) messages, why is it ANY surprise that China (or any other country) is trying to reap the rewards of internet hacking?

Every industrial nation on the face of the Globe is trying to do the exact same things, or they are 3rd World spammers.
 
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Someone said we should hire our hackers.... Guess what?!

Info Ops has been going on for years, Folks. The backrooms look like a "Lone Gunman" festival.
 
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China has the manpower to simply throw bodies at the endeavor until they succeed. Computers are dirt cheap as opposed to any military hardware more complex than a handtools. Why we are suprised by this I dunno. Maybe we do have the 'best haxors' in the world. 100 pretty good chinese haxors vs 1 american haxor is not good odds.
 
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China is not our friend.

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You're 100% correct Sir, China is not our friend. They have never been and never will be.


fyi, if we did did not purchase Chinese products who would china sell its products too? China gives rewards to factories that have 100% export! That means they don't sell them to their own people just to save money. In lots of cases the workers can not even afford to purchase the products they are making.

I am writing this post from from Beijing at Tsinghua University. Although if anyone tried to trace me, I would be found to be located in the states through an interesting technology known as vpn or virtual private networking/ ip tunneling. There are ways to get around this stuff and to make it look you are located at other locations. I wonder how much better the military has gotten at efficiently utilizing the potential technology we have or if the slow machine is still using outdated ideas and technologies?

That is my two cents, I usually just read what everyone says rather than do this posting thing.
 
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A major problem we have is US corporations all doing business with China for cheap labour and product...technology transfer for profit...
 
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China-Mart would have to close if we shut down trade with china. why we do so much trade with them is still beyond me. WE are paying craphole countries like this for the weapons that will eventually be used against us.


But I am dumb, so...
 
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Leadership is a lonely endeavor.

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" China is not our friend."

(Right. In your world, NO nation is our "friend".)

But seeing that someone from Nigeria can send out a hundred thousand spam emails, and then reap millions on their fraudulent (and rather ignorantly worded and repeatedly suspicious) messages, why is it ANY surprise that China (or any other country) is trying to reap the rewards of internet hacking?

Every industrial nation on the face of the Globe is trying to do the exact same things, or they are 3rd World spammers.
 
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I've always said the hackers that have been put in prison should be put to work for our country. Use what they know to better protect the internet and our Country.
 
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They did!

I'm very happy now (thank you very much) in my job as a combat warfighter computer systems inspector! LOL!

...and yes, we, JITC, a division of DISA toil endlessly at attacking our own DoD systems to ensure our enemies can't. You can learn more about this at:

JITC- The future of warfighting!

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The United States has some of the best hackers in the world. I these hackers want to be mischievous, the US government should hire them and they can really create a mess on China's computer systems.
 
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The Cyberspace Command has already begun to build its cadre of cyber warriors, drawing upon the nearly 45,000 Airmen already tasked with information technology-related duties in the service.

Air Force instructors will keep an eye out during initial training for potential cyber warriors to fill out the ranks, and Elder intends to establish a viable career path for his Airmen in hopes of keeping Cyberspace Command strong in the future.

"We're trying to get someone trained who can work on a production line who's an expert on doing their part, and over time you expand that," Elder said. "It's going to be really critical for us to be able to retain these people into continuing in the force."


Glad to see the Air Force establishing a Cyberspace Command, and hopefully they can get and retain some best and brightest minds to be able to counter the cyber threat. If you can get to a country's various computer networks, you can shut the whole country down. The United States needs to make sure, that it stays well ahead of the Chinese in this regard.
 
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They outta start by talking to the 15 and 16 year old kids that know WAY more about computers than any adults do.

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The Cyberspace Command has already begun to build its cadre of cyber warriors, drawing upon the nearly 45,000 Airmen already tasked with information technology-related duties in the service.

Air Force instructors will keep an eye out during initial training for potential cyber warriors to fill out the ranks, and Elder intends to establish a viable career path for his Airmen in hopes of keeping Cyberspace Command strong in the future.

"We're trying to get someone trained who can work on a production line who's an expert on doing their part, and over time you expand that," Elder said. "It's going to be really critical for us to be able to retain these people into continuing in the force."


Glad to see the Air Force establishing a Cyberspace Command, and hopefully they can get and retain some best and brightest minds to be able to counter the cyber threat. If you can get to a country's various computer networks, you can shut the whole country down. The United States needs to make sure, that it stays well ahead of the Chinese in this regard.
 
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Our friends, the Chinese. Making war on us even as we post.
 
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A Tom Clancy novel showed the world that an attack on our computer networks is an attack on the nation as a whole. Russia has been behind attacks on our computers, as has Iran and China, for some time now. If you add in purely criminal activities, Nigeria has led the parade and Venezula is jumping on to the bandwagon in a big way these days too.

We need to develop a countermeasure against both military threats, as well as threats against commercial interests in the U.S. And in my opinion, the best defense is a strong offense. We need to be able to reach out and touch the bad guys, plant logic bombs, keystroke registers, all of the tools of the trade, and be able to defeat those tools when they are used against us.

Today we are concerned with IED's and human suicide bombs. Sooner or later, even the bad guys will figure out that they can do more damage with a computer than with their lives. I sure hope that we figure that out before they do.
 
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Pentagon Accuses China of Deception

China has 100% adopted Gen. Petraeus' three-front strategy of war-fighting, nation-building, and peace-making, and they are executing this strategy to perfection.

This being a military forum, everyone is mainly thinking about competing with China militarily. But China knows that once they beat America economically (thereby winning on the "nation-building" front), then Chinese military dominance will soon follow.

Why isn't America recognizing and responding to this three-front challenge? Because America's two major parties are paralyzed by their too-simple ideologies. China will easily beat any nation that is ruled by ideology ... because China has no ideology ... all of China's leaders are trained engineers, and they are investing hugely in engineering and science.

China's non-ideological strategy is familiar to students of history. It is the same non-ideological strategy that FDR, Marshall, and Truman deployed to defeat Japan and Germany in WWII.

Throughout the 1940s and 1950s, ideologues on the left and right railed against FDR, Marshall, and Truman. To America's great good fortune, the voters paid little attention, while FDR, Marshall, and Truman focused on getting the job done --- the job of victory.
We'd all better get used to reading about this. America has never before competed with a strong, non-ideological rival like China. In comparison, the Soviets were a cakewalk.
 
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